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Old 07-13-2023, 10:32 AM
 
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The question is will Governor Shapiro sign Bowers' death warrant?
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Old 07-13-2023, 01:20 PM
 
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He has already said he wouldn't sign any as governor. Better question is, does it actually matter? We haven't executed anyone since Heidnik in the 90s.The PA death penalty is a farce.
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Old 07-13-2023, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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The question is will Governor Shapiro sign Bowers' death warrant?
No, and neither will whoever is governor 20+ years from now after all the appeals are exhausted. Not unless the politics of PA change drastically.
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Old 07-14-2023, 08:44 AM
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No, and neither will whoever is governor 20+ years from now after all the appeals are exhausted. Not unless the politics of PA change drastically.
We are leaning away from a tough on crime style as a state, but the death penalty is pretty barbaric. Thou shall not kill. Life in prison is enough for any criminal. He won't be a threat to anyone in public ever again. If our style keeps going, even someone like him could be eligible for parole, but I hope we don't go that far. If anyone deserves the maximum penalty it is Bowers.
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Old 07-14-2023, 10:44 AM
 
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The question is will Governor Shapiro sign Bowers' death warrant?
You mean completely lift the moratorium on the death penalty instituted by Governor Wolf in order to condemn Bowers to death? Absolutely, positively not. Your incessant anti-Semitic dog-whistling (here, the trope of the vengeful, bloodthirsty Jew) continues to be noted.

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He has already said he wouldn't sign any as governor. Better question is, does it actually matter? We haven't executed anyone since Heidnik in the 90s.The PA death penalty is a farce.
Exactly. And even if the moratorium were lifted (which will happen if and when a Republican Governor is elected again), there are so many procedural wrenches to throw in the death penalty appeal process that people on death row will continue to stay alive until they throw up their hands and say, “I’m done. Kill me already.”

Does Bowers deserve to die? Absolutely. But that doesn’t sway my conviction that the few pros of the death penalty are outweighed by far more numerous cons (particularly the fact that it’s less expensive in aggregate to sentence people to life in prison without the possibility of parole).
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Old 07-14-2023, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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We are leaning away from a tough on crime style as a state, but the death penalty is pretty barbaric. Thou shall not kill. Life in prison is enough for any criminal. He won't be a threat to anyone in public ever again. If our style keeps going, even someone like him could be eligible for parole, but I hope we don't go that far. If anyone deserves the maximum penalty it is Bowers.
"Thou shall not kill" is only the KJV translation (plus Douay-Rheims and others). In the original Hebrew it's "You shall not murder". Capital punishment was universally accepted in the ancient world, and not just for mass murderers.
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Old 07-14-2023, 10:46 PM
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"Thou shall not kill" is only the KJV translation (plus Douay-Rheims and others). In the original Hebrew it's "You shall not murder". Capital punishment was universally accepted in the ancient world, and not just for mass murderers.
Again, "Thou shall not kill". We are supposed to evolve as a species. I'm Presbyterian and we have our own rules to live by. We progress and are love thy neighbor.

Enjoy.
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Old 07-15-2023, 08:29 AM
 
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Don't turn a monster into a martyr. White supremacist ideology thrives on conflict with, in their twisted mindset, a "Jew apologist" government.

I think it's more symbolic to let him perish in confinement.
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Old 07-15-2023, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Again, "Thou shall not kill". We are supposed to evolve as a species. I'm Presbyterian and we have our own rules to live by. We progress and are love thy neighbor.

Enjoy.
It's fine to be against capital punishment on religious grounds (my church is officially against it, too). But a certain translation of Commandment #5 is not what prohibits it.
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Old 07-15-2023, 07:46 PM
 
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"Thou shall not kill" is only the KJV translation (plus Douay-Rheims and others). In the original Hebrew it's "You shall not murder". Capital punishment was universally accepted in the ancient world, and not just for mass murderers.
So was slavery in a lot of it. ISTR some Bible verses were used to justify the race-based version adopted in the United States and Britain.

As gg said, we're supposed to evolve as a species. On this score, the British evolved before we did.
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