Philadelphia 2035 (Republic, Penn: graduation, degrees, Republican)

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by AJNEOA

It's similar to some of the other unions' mentality AFAICT. They hide behind a single argument and whine. Like the union guys that got booted from the Convention center. For a while I wondered "why don't they manage their employees better, work harder, improve their reputation, apply for other jobs, step up?" But that's not their MO. They are told by their superiors that they're wronged, not that they need to stay relevant through hard work and skill.

The local Carpenters' Union's bone-headedness, possibly caused by their actions regarding the PA Convention Ctr, caused the national carpenters' union reps to yank local control from them. That happened back in the Spring, I think.

[Pine to Vine]

New jobs for Camden: Chemical company moving to Camden with help from $139 million in tax breaks

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by Pine to Vine

New jobs for Camden: Chemical company moving to Camden with help from $139 million in tax breaks

I am thinking Camden will start to uptick, mostly due to Philadelphia's success.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by cpomp

I am thinking Camden will start to uptick, mostly due to Philadelphia's success.

Camden could definitely become a Jersey City in the future. It already has easy transit access that puts it closer to CC than many parts of Philly.

[timeEd32]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

Camden could definitely become a Jersey City in the future. It already has easy transit access that puts it closer to CC than many parts of Philly.

Personally I think we'll all be dead before that becomes a possibility.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by timeEd32

Personally I think we'll all be dead before that becomes a possibility.

Things can change quickly. I mean who actually thought people would voluntarily be moving to Newark? I met a few people who have so they can take PATH into Manhattan.

Over-the-Rhine in Cincinnati used to be one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America just a few years ago. Today, it's full of development, hipster bars, a new streetcar, and it's honestly a really cool neighborhood.

Idk enough individual neighborhoods nationwide, but I think Camden has the right aspects to become a much better city pretty quickly as Philly keeps growing and getting more expensive. It's hit or miss with these types of future projections, but I wouldn't rule out Camden making a strong comeback.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

Things can change quickly. I mean who actually thought people would voluntarily be moving to Newark? I met a few people who have so they can take PATH into Manhattan.

Over-the-Rhine in Cincinnati used to be one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America just a few years ago. Today, it's full of development, hipster bars, a new streetcar, and it's honestly a really cool neighborhood.

Idk enough individual neighborhoods nationwide, but I think Camden has the right aspects to become a much better city pretty quickly as Philly keeps growing and getting more expensive. It's hit or miss with these types of future projections, but I wouldn't rule out Camden making a strong comeback.

I'm certain that Camden will make a comeback, but I doubt that any of us will live to see it. Some or all of us might live to see it start to improve.

[jessemh431]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

I'm certain that Camden will make a comeback, but I doubt that any of us will live to see it. Some or all of us might live to see it start to improve.

I guess a little off topic, but how long would you say it took Hoboken to reach the level that it's at? Jersey City is also catching up, but Hoboken is the clear prime city in NNJ for livability and people seeking the NYC lifestyle in NJ. Because Camden should strive to be the Hoboken of South Jersey.

[timeEd32]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

Things can change quickly. I mean who actually thought people would voluntarily be moving to Newark? I met a few people who have so they can take PATH into Manhattan.

Over-the-Rhine in Cincinnati used to be one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America just a few years ago. Today, it's full of development, hipster bars, a new streetcar, and it's honestly a really cool neighborhood.

Idk enough individual neighborhoods nationwide, but I think Camden has the right aspects to become a much better city pretty quickly as Philly keeps growing and getting more expensive. It's hit or miss with these types of future projections, but I wouldn't rule out Camden making a strong comeback.

This is the key - Hoboken and now parts of JC became what they are because Manhattan (and then Brooklyn) became so ridiculously expensive. Also, geographically Manhattan is a tiny island and Hoboken/JC have prime public transit that's more convenient to many job locations than upper Manhattan or any of the other boroughs. Newark may experience something similar, although the jury is definitely still out on this one.

So, most likely, for Camden to experience a similar turnaround you need:

1) Continual job, and especially, population growth in Philly
2) Real estate prices to increase dramatically in all of the areas that would be considered a more attractive place to live (amenities, location, commute, etc.)

Seems really unlikely to me that that's going to come together in any sort of realistic timeframe as core parts of Philly still have a lot of room for growth.

[Pennsport]

Originally Posted by timeEd32

This is the key - Hoboken and now parts of JC became what they are because Manhattan (and then Brooklyn) became so ridiculously expensive. Also, geographically Manhattan is a tiny island and Hoboken/JC have prime public transit that's more convenient to many job locations than upper Manhattan or any of the other boroughs. Newark may experience something similar, although the jury is definitely still out on this one.

So, most likely, for Camden to experience a similar turnaround you need:

1) Continual job, and especially, population growth in Philly
2) Real estate prices to increase dramatically in all of the areas that would be considered a more attractive place to live (amenities, location, commute, etc.)

Seems really unlikely to me that that's going to come together in any sort of realistic timeframe as core parts of Philly still have a lot of room for growth.

Eh, I don't know about that. As Philly continues to grow, and the gentrification moves concentrically from CC, affordable places are getting scare. At this pace, in five years the "affordable" neighborhoods will be northern Port Richmond and extreme southwestern S. Philly. Couple this with the traffic making commuting into town via 76 or 96 virtually impossible, and I could easily see the Camden waterfront become a nice destination for CC-workers. I doubt this would extend beyond the waterfront however.