Phiadelphia's Revitalization (Philadelphia, Erie, Indiana: real estate, college, taxes)

[AJNEOA]

Originally Posted by phillytransplant13

I'll only comment on things I know, which is that Philadelphia doesn't fall flat outside of three general areas. Vine to Washington, really? I would go as north as Girard Ave in most neighborhoods (Fairmount, Nolibs, Fishtown, etc.), and N. Broad Street's development is going to be huge. What about Passyunk Ave? That's below your limit of Washington Ave. How about the entire Northwest section of the city? Outside of maybe Germantown (not sure, never been there), the NW is a desireable place to be and the level of development speaks for it.

I love that Philly neighborhoods are unique, especially outside of the Center City square. I don't know much about DC and Boston, but I'm sure there's undesirable, crime ridden areas in those cities too. Philadelphia is significantly bigger in square mileage than both of those places, BTW.

South Philly has lots of good neighborhoods below Washington. Passyunk Square, Pennsport, East Passyunk Crossing, Newbold, Girard Estates. Point Breeze and Dickinson Narrows are both improving, albeit more slowly (DN is improving quicker than PB).

I think what's confusing to those that don't know better is the general state of Washington itself. There are so many assets on that street, but it's very industrial. I could see a visitor or someone who was unfamiliar with the area get to that street and turn around.

[MB1562]

Originally Posted by Pennsport

Philly's in great shape actually, and, baring another major financial meltdown or something catastrophic specific to our city (i.e. Comcast up and leaves), in 10 - 20 years we will see:
- SOUTH: All of South Philly on both sides of Broad will be solid down to the stadiums (basically to DelCo).
- NORTH: North Philly will continue to fill in and should be good to go past "TempleTown" which is at least 15 blocks north of Girard. And this will be on both sides of Broad. Not to mention that Francisville will become more like Fairmount is today and North Broad proper will be a thriving with people, world class restaurants and bustling pubs.
- WEST: Drexel, Penn and businesses in general will continue to dominate eastern University City (probably finally linking UC and downtown proper. They will also continue their western expansion - slowly eating into the long-standing areas of poverty
- EAST: To the East, the Delaware waterfront will be unrecognizable in fewer than 10 years


Really, the only remaining areas of blight will be deep North and West Philly (now these will not be tiny areas by any stretch, but they will have virtually zero impact on the city proper). NOrtheast Philly will also continue its decline, but it's so cut off from the city proper it might as well be a suburb.

I think your timeline is generous for all this to happen, if it ever does.

[MB1562]

Originally Posted by 2e1m5a

I think I don't care to read the opinions of someone from Delco that takes tourists from London to Pats and Genos-and says it was the only thing that didn't disappoint. Lol laughably terrible.

My thoughts exactly.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by Flyers Girl

I was going to come here and start a thread on an opinion piece I read this morning, but it seems to fit perfectly into this thread.


Chris Friend: Why Philly will always be a second-class city


He makes some good points, but I don't necessarily agree with everything he throws out. He compares Philly to Boston and generally blames the state of the city on the apathy of the residents and inept leadership. What do you all think?

Garbage written by a bitter suburbanite.


The only point I mainly agree with is the horrible leadership holding the city back.

[Redddog]

The wage tax alone would make a game-changing difference. It's remarkable that they can't get that done.

[jjv007]

Originally Posted by Flyers Girl

I was going to come here and start a thread on an opinion piece I read this morning, but it seems to fit perfectly into this thread.


Chris Friend: Why Philly will always be a second-class city


He makes some good points, but I don't necessarily agree with everything he throws out. He compares Philly to Boston and generally blames the state of the city on the apathy of the residents and inept leadership. What do you all think?

He goes overboard in a lot of ways but he makes good points about the taxes and pathetic leadership. And he's right about the fact that Philly is falling behind its peer cities.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by car0401

Fellow Philadelphians,

We live in one of the greatest cities in America but we still have so many problem that other Northeastern cities don't. The gentrified and revitalized areas of Philadelphia are relatively small to the whole city. There are abandoned lots as close as a quarter mile from Center City in Poplar and West Poplar. There are still huge empty lots along North Broad just outside of Center City. This might be fine for a city like Cleveland or Indianapolis but we are in the fifth largest city in America and we are the ninth largest economy in the world. Meanwhile New York, DC, and Boston are cities where its hard to find an empty lot except in the very worst of neighborhoods.

I know Philadelphia is getting better and there is development that hasn't been seen in years. From Vine to Washington Philadelphia is a city that can rival DC, Boston and other booming cities but it seems like Philadelphia falls flat when you leave Center City, University City, and The River Wards. Do you think Philadelphia will ever have the same amount of great neighborhoods outside of the aforementioned areas that can match other cities in the northeast?

Obviously you have never looked at the philly curbed website, or any other place else, if think there are no plans to develop just the areas you are talking about(Poplar or North Broad).

And sadly you have completely forgotten about, or have never been to, the NW part of the city. Chestnut Hill is a dream of neighborhood. Or, what about Overbrook Farms?

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by phillytransplant13

I'll only comment on things I know, which is that Philadelphia doesn't fall flat outside of three general areas. Vine to Washington, really? I would go as north as Girard Ave in most neighborhoods (Fairmount, Nolibs, Fishtown, etc.), and N. Broad Street's development is going to be huge. What about Passyunk Ave? That's below your limit of Washington Ave. How about the entire Northwest section of the city? Outside of maybe Germantown (not sure, never been there), the NW is a desireable place to be and the level of development speaks for it.

I love that Philly neighborhoods are unique, especially outside of the Center City square. I don't know much about DC and Boston, but I'm sure there's undesirable, crime ridden areas in those cities too. Philadelphia is significantly bigger in square mileage than both of those places, BTW.

The OP essentially excluded a huge chunk of South Philly besides Passyunk. No mention of Newbold, Queen Village,
Pennsport, Girard Estates, Packer Park. All nice neighborhoods.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by MB1562

A lot of people forget about Bridesburg because it doesn't have flash or pizazz. But it is a stable, safe, middle-class community, which is something Philadelphia desperately needs more of.

Correct. Bet the OP has never been to Fox Chase(next to Elkins Park). Or Somerton or Merrill Park, for example.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by Pennsport

Philly's in great shape actually, and, baring another major financial meltdown or something catastrophic specific to our city (i.e. Comcast up and leaves), in 10 - 20 years we will see:
- SOUTH: All of South Philly on both sides of Broad will be solid down to the stadiums (basically to DelCo).
- NORTH: North Philly will continue to fill in and should be good to go past "TempleTown" which is at least 15 blocks north of Girard. And this will be on both sides of Broad. Not to mention that Francisville will become more like Fairmount is today and North Broad proper will be a thriving with people, world class restaurants and bustling pubs.
- WEST: Drexel, Penn and businesses in general will continue to dominate eastern University City (probably finally linking UC and downtown proper. They will also continue their western expansion - slowly eating into the long-standing areas of poverty
- EAST: To the East, the Delaware waterfront will be unrecognizable in fewer than 10 years


Really, the only remaining areas of blight will be deep North and West Philly (now these will not be tiny areas by any stretch, but they will have virtually zero impact on the city proper). NOrtheast Philly will also continue its decline, but it's so cut off from the city proper it might as well be a suburb.

There is some new energy in Brewertown as well. It did stall for awhile but there's new interest again. I keep hoping that some of this will "drift" into Strawberry Mansion.