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Old 05-08-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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Nothing's impossible. Well, not much. I grew up on a large farm northwest of Ft. Worth, Texas and that beautiful prairie is city now. And I lived in Phoenix when I could drive east-to-west the full length of Indian School Rd. all the way to Litchfield Park and never get hung up in a traffic jam. Phoenix had just over 300,000 people then. It was 1965 and a great time to live there.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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why has no one said anything about where are the water will come from to support this supposed growth? Fact is, Arizona just doesn't have it. Perhaps if all the water that fell on every Walmart rooftop in Phoenix, Tucson, and any of these tweener cities was captured, stored, and used to water golf courses, gardens, landscaping, and filter for home use, we could make it work....
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Old 07-01-2013, 04:47 PM
 
Location: New Mexico and Arizona
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The water would come from sacrificing farming. However, farming serves as a buffer during dry periods as farm water allocations can be significantly reduced, so if we didn't have farmers, there would be much more suffering during dry seasons. Another possibility is becoming yet more efficient with water use, but that can get expensive and take a lot of political willpower, expensive investment, and public goodwill. And, at some point, the markets will probably kick in and price water at something closer to its real cost to provide to people, giving water users more incentives to spend on conservation.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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why has no one said anything about where are the water will come from to support this supposed growth? Fact is, Arizona just doesn't have it. Perhaps if all the water that fell on every Walmart rooftop in Phoenix, Tucson, and any of these tweener cities was captured, stored, and used to water golf courses, gardens, landscaping, and filter for home use, we could make it work....
You do not know what you are talking about. Fact is AZ has enough water to support an urban population at least 3 times the size of what it currently is in the Phoenix metro area. With conservation and greater re-use even more could be available. The vast majority of water in AZ is used for agriculture not homes. When homes go up on farm fields water use declines.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: USA
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You do not know what you are talking about. Fact is AZ has enough water to support an urban population at least 3 times the size of what it currently is in the Phoenix metro area. With conservation and greater re-use even more could be available. The vast majority of water in AZ is used for agriculture not homes. When homes go up on farm fields water use declines.
I am confused by statements made by people that are ok with the removal of farm land. Tucson and Phoenix will never merge until we have ocean front property in Arizona...
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I am confused by statements made by people that are ok with the removal of farm land. Tucson and Phoenix will never merge until we have ocean front property in Arizona...

What is wrong with removing farmland? As less land is used for farming there will be less dust storms, or at least that is what they said on TV.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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What is wrong with removing farmland? As less land is used for farming there will be less dust storms, or at least that is what they said on TV.
Less farming means more dust storms since the crops aren't able to hold the soil down. Why do you think the Midwest was known as the Dust Bowl in the 1930's? Sure a lot of unwise farming practices aggregated the situation, but the drought didn't help.
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I am confused by statements made by people that are ok with the removal of farm land. Tucson and Phoenix will never merge until we have ocean front property in Arizona...
If you look at it from a water perspective it is about finding the highest beneficial use for the water. Ag is not in most cases. Almost all the water put on crops is lost to delivery and evaporation. Irrigating low value crops like alfalfa with limited and irreplaceable ground water as is done in the Tucson area is simply wasteful. It is a better proposition in the Phoenix area where water comes largely from renewable sources, but still, residential use is far and away a better economic use than agriculture.
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Old 07-03-2013, 01:14 AM
 
Location: USA
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If you look at it from a water perspective it is about finding the highest beneficial use for the water. Ag is not in most cases. Almost all the water put on crops is lost to delivery and evaporation. Irrigating low value crops like alfalfa with limited and irreplaceable ground water as is done in the Tucson area is simply wasteful. It is a better proposition in the Phoenix area where water comes largely from renewable sources, but still, residential use is far and away a better economic use than agriculture.
Water or food. What do I choose.
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