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I'd probably say south of McDonald is where you begin to see more older, smaller homes. Maybe south of Chaparral.
03-06-2014, 01:23 PM
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DetroitN8V- Thanks for a detailed response. Very helpful!
KurtAZ- The Midwest comment: Actually I was quoting it from an old forum post. I lived in the midwest for a while and understand what you are saying
AZJoeD - I started this thread specifically to get some insights into Scottsdale area. This is one of the areas we are considering. I lived in Tempe about 15 yrs ago and went to ASU but that time I was single so never looked at things from this perspective
I am somewhat familiar with the area but memory is fading now. Unfortunately I am stuck with the job situation and cant take time to make an exploratory trip in advance. But I see your point and thats why decided to rent for a year before buying. For now, we are just trying to rent in an area where we would evantually buy (in an effort to avoid school change for kids) but there are too many variables and things may not go as planned which is okay but still want to try
Thank you all for some great advice.
One more question - Which street separates south and north (or maybe south and central scottsdale)? I understand it may not be a bright line but just want to get a rough idea.
Thanks everyone!
You'll get different definiitions of north and south. Some, like me, also have a "central" Scottsdale. I don't call it north until I'm above Indian Bend. South Scottsdale, for me, starts at Thomas.
03-06-2014, 01:23 PM
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North of Frank Lloyd Wright: North Scottsdale
03-06-2014, 02:40 PM
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North of Frank Lloyd Wright: North Scottsdale
My only quibble with that is that Old Town really isn't like the parts of Scottsdale to the south. Parts of west Scottsdale from Indian School south are like South Scottsdale, and the area between Camelback and Chaparral and Scottsdale Rd and Miller has a lot of the same type of homes, Old Town has a lot more variety of housing, and a different demographic than the southern part of Scottsdale.
But, to the OP, this shows you that different people have different boundaries. Some of it may be influenced by how long we've lived here, but I'm not sure about that.
03-06-2014, 03:00 PM
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Technically speaking
Main St separates North from South in Scottsdale. Since there is no definitive "lines" where neighborhoods start you will get numerous definitions. Practically speaking South Scottsdale is south of Old Town. Most people consider the area north of Indian School to about Shea as central (although some will say that is north). North is generally considered to be north of Shea with Pinnacle Peak being considered Far North. I have even heard people declare the area north of Carefree Hwy to be Far Far North (but I don't say that). And do not forget that Scottsdale goes east and west from 56th St to 142nd St (in some areas) a distance of about 10 miles.
The point is there are no defined lines. What is too far for some, will be too close for others. Some people say "Don't go north of the 101", which is ridiculous unless your point of reference is always south or downtown. What if you work at the Airpark or Mayo? You would be far better to commute south from the north than fight the traffic up from the south every day.
You never did say where you or your spouse would be working as this is an important factor in your decision. Perhaps Scottsdale is not the correct place.
You also never stated what your vision for a home is, other than you think $480K . Your chances of finding a nice home in McCormick Ranch at $480K is slim. Personally, if you know for sure that $480K is your price point I would look in the 85254 zipcode (which has Scottsdale addresses but is really Phx) and the 85054 & 85050 zipcodes (both Phx). My rationale is that these are good family areas, nice newer homes, close to shopping, doctors, parks, etc, close to major roadways, good schools (all 3 in Paradise Valley District. You will have a good choice of homes in your price point, better than in some other areas of Scottsdale.
03-06-2014, 06:53 PM
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I'd probably say south of McDonald is where you begin to see more older, smaller homes. Maybe south of Chaparral.
That's not totally true - East of 56th St between Oak and Camelback north to McDonald there is some uber expensive real estate and numerous large "in-fill" custom builds between S-dale Road & Camelback/44th Street/Arcadia.
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That's not totally true - East of 56th St between Oak and Camelback north to McDonald there is some uber expensive real estate and numerous large "in-fill" custom builds between S-dale Road & Camelback/44th Street/Arcadia.
Yeah, there's no real science to these labels I guess.
03-07-2014, 05:46 AM
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That's not totally true - East of 56th St between Oak and Camelback north to McDonald there is some uber expensive real estate and numerous large "in-fill" custom builds between S-dale Road & Camelback/44th Street/Arcadia.
True. People tend to forget that west side of Scottsdale from around Camelback south for a few miles.
03-07-2014, 11:48 PM
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Personally, my favorite "nice, but urban" part of the Phoenix area is Ahwatukee Foothills. However, if you are looking in Scottsdale, I'd say anything north of McDonald, east of Scottsdale Rd, and south of Pinnacle Peak gives you a nice area to work with.
03-08-2014, 08:26 PM
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85260'er here
I love it!! I don't really get the RICH feeling here. The people, places and things are pretty middle to upper-middle class here. There are normal stores like you'd see anywhere else in the valley. Further north is where is starts to be more vacation homes and high priced homes/neighborhoods and of course, as you get closer to the mountains, the $$ goes up
It is kinda far from places but close to 101 so it doesn't seem so bad. Just remember if you have friends in Phoenix or the SE Valley, don't plan on them always coming to you lol You may have to alternate visiting or meet in the middle, which, to me, would be Old Town, which is perfect
I would like to buy a house/condo more near Mountain View to McDonald Area from Sdale to the 101. Very nice areas I think
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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