west valley home trends/prices article (neighborhoods, restaurants, stores)

[Roger427]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

New Mexico got the spaceport. Albuquerque or Las Cruces makes sense. As does Las Vegas.

Have you ever been to Albuquerque? Intel sure isn't happy there. Schools so bad they couldn't recruit folks they needed as no one wanted to move or start a family there. What did Intel do? They built a state-of-the-art school in Rio Rancho and gave them money to break off from Alb public Schools to start there own school district. Worked great for a while but they never did anything else for years. I left RR in 2007 and came to Goodyear because schools were so terrible.

Don't know about Los Cruces.

Goodyear, with new 303 is the new "it" area. Hope we win.

[stevek64]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

New Mexico got the spaceport. Albuquerque or Las Cruces makes sense. As does Las Vegas.

I think what makes "sense" in the end to a company is the almighty dollar/cost of business....the rest is window dressing.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

New Mexico got the spaceport. Albuquerque or Las Cruces makes sense. As does Las Vegas.

I hadn't heard Las Vegas mentioned seriously, but Reno. That is my guess about what state/city gets it.

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Discovery1

The dealers association got nothing to do with where Tesla going to pick their plant.

Really?

Look up Bill 2123. It's trying to amend Arizona's archaic law that was molded by the dealer association powerful special interest group.

See Arizona bill would allow Tesla to skip dealers

"House Bill 2123 is strongly opposed by traditional auto manufacturers and dealers, who argue that Tesla wants to operate outside the normal rules that require manufacturers to sell cars through dealers. They say allowing sales directly from an automaker could leave consumers in the lurch if the company goes belly-up."

The dealer network doesn't care about "leaving consumers in the lurch". They want to be the middleman. They don't care creating AZ jobs. But the politicians do care (see the above link ^^).

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Really?

Look up Bill 2123. It's trying to amend Arizona's archaic law that was molded by the dealer association powerful special interest group.

See Arizona bill would allow Tesla to skip dealers

"House Bill 2123 is strongly opposed by traditional auto manufacturers and dealers, who argue that Tesla wants to operate outside the normal rules that require manufacturers to sell cars through dealers. They say allowing sales directly from an automaker could leave consumers in the lurch if the company goes belly-up."

The dealer network doesn't care about "leaving consumers in the lurch". They want to be the middleman. They don't care creating AZ jobs. But the politicians do care (see the above link ^^).

Many jobs would be lost without those "middlemen". When Texas was debating this, it was pointed out that thousands more jobs would be lost if dealers were dealt out than Tesla would ever bring. Of course, AZ is not nearly so populous as Texas and presumably we have far few dealers and far fewer dealer employees. But it is something to consider. If you are a strict free-marketeer, then you would support the bill. But don't gloss over the fact, that it might end up causing much more economic damage than benefit. (although the law as written would only apply to all-electric cars, which are likely to be as popular as electric blankets in summer around here).

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Many jobs would be lost without those "middlemen". When Texas was debating this, it was pointed out that thousands more jobs would be lost if dealers were dealt out than Tesla would ever bring. Of course, AZ is not nearly so populous as Texas and presumably we have far few dealers and far fewer dealer employees. But it is something to consider. If you are a strict free-marketeer, then you would support the bill. But don't gloss over the fact, that it might end up causing much more economic damage than benefit. (although the law as written would only apply to all-electric cars, which are likely to be as popular as electric blankets in summer around here).

If a person saves money, he then spends it on other widgets and that creates different jobs. Also, since the car is more affordable (and is the reason why they are trying to skip the middleman), then Tesla sell more cars and creates more jobs including the potential AZ factory production facility. Using your logic above, we should mandate more middlemen for "job creation". I'm sure you can agree that approach reeks of an over simplistic view on how the free market system works.

Obvously politicians forgot their 1st semester of economics. It's extremely easy to measure job loss in a specific industry but hard to measure job creation. I'd love to pitch the politicians the benefits of why massive destruction of something like out of control wildfires are a good thing. After all, it created a lot of jobs too!

[HX_Guy]

I love Tesla and am for the whole direct to consumer sales idea but I do have to question if it really would be cheaper for the people buying the cars.

Right now, Tesla charges what they charge, which is the MSRP price, correct?

When's the last time someone paid MSRP (sticker price) on a car off a dealer lot? Those are suggested prices but they have incentives all the time and you can usually negotiate the price down a few thousand. Without being able to negotiate, you would just pay what it says on the window sticker. That's not necessarily a bad thing, I mean you don't go into Best Buy and try to negotiate the price of a TV, but I'm not so sure people would actually save money by buying direct vs from a franchised dealership.

[HX_Guy]

Back to West Valley real estate...

Loop 303 drives housing development in Northwest Valley

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by HX_Guy

Back to West Valley real estate...

Loop 303 drives housing development in Northwest Valley

I love that part of town - far northwest. We have better "mountains" here in Estrella, but the nicer desert flora from the extra rain there, the views, the modern look of everything up that way, and the proximity to Lake Pleasant would make it a strong draw for me if I hadn't come here first. It's a tad on the pricey side too, but maybe as more developments go in, there will be less expensive options. It's definitely going to boom.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by HX_Guy

Back to West Valley real estate...

Loop 303 drives housing development in Northwest Valley

I love that part of town - far northwest. The nicer desert flora from the extra rain there, the views, the modern look of everything up that way, and the proximity to Lake Pleasant would make it a strong draw for me if there had been anything up that way when I moved to Goodyear. It's a tad on the pricey side too, but maybe as more developments go in, there will be less expensive options. It's definitely going to boom.