08-26-2014, 09:14 AM
Location: Phoenix metro
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I hike. A lot. I always have the feeling in the back of my mind that there are mountain lions in the area, and I always scan the area for them, trying to minimize my chances of startling one or stumbling upon a den. I know theyre solitary beasts, and dont really inhabit populated areas, but Ive read about all the attacks/maulings that occur in densely populated areas of California and British Columbia, so I dont think the Valley is immune from a possible attack. I also know AZ has a healthy population of mountain lions, too. My question is, have any of you seen or run into a mountain lion while hiking here in the Valley?
08-26-2014, 09:57 AM
Location: Chandler, Arizona
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I hike a lot also, but have never seen a mountain lion in AZ. I've seen rattle snakes, gila monsters, and coyotes, but not mountain lions. California tends to build homes all around preserves, trapping the mountain lions in narrow canyons. That is at least partially to blame for the increase in mountain lion sightings and attacks there.
08-26-2014, 10:10 AM
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Payson...yes...Metro Phoenix...no.
08-26-2014, 10:14 AM
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I only asked because theyve even been spotted in metro Chicago area, so Im fairly certain theyre here in the Valley, too. Ive seen some pretty big scat out while hiking, along with bones nearby. Could be coyotes, but its still a little unnerving to stumble upon that stuff while out in the middle of nowhere.
08-26-2014, 10:21 AM
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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I have never seen them hiking either.
Not sure if you've seen these pics of a mountain lion at the White Tanks:
Mountain Lions at Whit tanks.
08-26-2014, 10:22 AM
Location: St. George, Utah
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We have a lot of mountain lions around here (MT), but the saying is that you won't see one until it's too late
. They are not something one stumbles upon, at least around here. If one is stalking you, you might see it before it attacks. The only reason a mountain lion will stick around, knowing there are people around, is if it's hunting...someone....(Or if it is in fact sick or trapped.)
Lol. It's a bit of an exaggeration, but really not far off base. One might encounter a bear, for instance, for a lot of reasons other than the bear intending to eat you, so odds are good that the bear doesn't want to see you any more than you want to see it. From there the encounter can progress in a variety of ways depending on your reaction and the bear's disposition
But if one sees a mountain lion, it is likely that lion's choice to be in your vicinity, and the reasons for that intention are decidedly more narrow than the situation with a bear. It wants to eat you, or it's wondering if it wants to eat you and intends to give you a try. That's about it.
They are "solitary" beasts, but around here they are drawn into town and the outskirts by the large urban deer population we have here. Easy pickings. Some also become habituated to hunting farm animals or house pets, more easy pickings. So in that case you might "bump into" one that has actually ventured into a more populated area.
We have friends who "hunt cats" (my least favorite "sport") so we know there are many in the surrounding mountains (in addition to the FWP statistics). Yet with a lifetime of hiking, camping, plus owning a cabin in the mountains of MT, I have never seen a mountain lion. Tracks & scat, yes, a live one, no. And I'm hoping to keep it that way!
I say carry bear spray anywhere that you even think you might encounter a lion. Or go with the suggestions I've heard, like, "Use a deep voice and make yourself look as large as possible." LOL. And don't run away, whatever you do. Ha!!
08-26-2014, 10:25 AM
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I've never seen a mountain lion but do see bobcats pretty often.
08-26-2014, 10:30 AM
Location: Phoenix metro
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And don't run away, whatever you do. Ha!!
Good read, thank you!
Ive heard not to run, as it triggers their natural instinct to chase.
08-26-2014, 10:32 AM
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I've never seen a mountain lion but do see bobcats pretty often.
Yes, a friend in Fountain Hills often sees a bobcat or two on her retaining wall watching the birds at her birdfeeder.
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08-26-2014, 10:34 AM
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Awesome, thank you. Love the shot of the cougar chasing the deer.
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Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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