The Arizona Coyotes are here to STAY ! (Glendale: layoffs, maintenance)

[SeattleorPhiladelphia]

Hopefully just in time for a new arena in Seattle.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

I know it sounds extreme and cruel, but I say let the arena and Westgate crumble to the ground. Move the team back to downtown Phoenix, and reinstate the original name (Phoenix Coyotes). Rebuild something similar to Westgate in the form of an entertainment district downtown as was previously proposed. In order for something like this to survive, it needs to be in an area where there is already established infrastructure ... something that the Westgate area never had. It's too much of a cost burden and losing deal to keep this team in Glendale.

A rather poor business move too. There is some serious Westgate envy going on the the east side. Johnny Rockets owner says his Westgate restaurant is his most profitable. AMC Westgate is the largest theater complex in the state and produces the most revenue. Both Saddle Ranch and Yard House are the most profitable of their locations. Over 5 million people shopped at Tanger and 22 million! visited Westgate. The casino across the road will provide more traffic and more visitors. There could also be a groundbreaking later this year for a large development in the area. The Yotes will be around at least two more years and there are more concerts and things going on out there and at UOP than ever before. Westgate is not going to crumble.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by SeattleorPhiladelphia

Hopefully just in time for a new arena in Seattle.

Right because we know Seattle has such a great track record for building stadiums for pro sports.

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

If the Coyotes want to play in downtown Phoenix, they will be given the opportunity to do so. I think that is where they will end up. The ownership group is committed to the Valley. They were given the green light to leave and could have relocated to a lot of cities but chose to fight Glendale and remain here. In fact, the owners went on record of stating this. LeBlanc stated that they had the opportunity to go to a lot of cities but want hockey to work here.

I remember when they played in downtown. It was much more fun experience. The white outs, the local bars and downtown scene was so fun. And that was was in 1999 and 2000. Downtown is much more developed now. Especially with the light rail, student population and improved urban community, it would be really exciting if they moved back there.



The problem is can they wait that long. The Suns can't leave until 2022. Sarver is a shrewd business man. He is going to get an amazing stadium built with all of the bells and whistles in Scottsdale near Talking Stick. It's just a lot easier and cheaper to build there than tear down buildings and get new space to build a brand new stadium in downtown Phoenix. I see both the Coyotes and Suns playing there in 2023.

With the track mayor Stanton is on I wouldn't be surprised if some extremely hard pushes are made to get the Coyotes downtown. I don't really like the Talking Stick idea traffic can be a nightmare over there and it eliminates West Valley fans like Glendale did east. As for Sarver given his lack of connection to Phoenix (Tucson hotel mogul and San Diego resident) what he chooses to do might be unpredictable.

Scottsdale was not on board the first time this proposal was placed, I doubt they'd want to do it later. Phoenix will definitely want it and has the tax base/population to better socialize the cost.

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

A rather poor business move too. There is some serious Westgate envy going on the the east side. Johnny Rockets owner says his Westgate restaurant is his most profitable. AMC is the largest theater complex in the state and produces the most revenue. Both Saddle Ranch and Yard House are the most profitable of their locations. Over 5 million people shopped at Tanger and 22 million! visited Westgate. The casino across the road will provide more traffic and more visitors. There is also a groundbreaking later this year for a large development in the area. The Yotes will be around at least two more years and there are more concerts and things going on out there and at UOP than ever before. Westgate is not going to crumble.

The casino was feared for years by westgate for the exact opposite of what your saying here. The casino will surely draw people AWAY from westgate by subsidizing their rooms/restaurants like they do in Vegas and shuttling drunk fans to the games.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

A rather poor business move too. There is some serious Westgate envy going on the the east side. Johnny Rockets owner says his Westgate restaurant is his most profitable. AMC is the largest theater complex in the state and produces the most revenue. Both Saddle Ranch and Yard House are the most profitable of their locations. Over 5 million people shopped at Tanger and 22 million! visited Westgate. The casino across the road will provide more traffic and more visitors. There is also a groundbreaking later this year for a large development in the area. The Yotes will be around at least two more years and there are more concerts and things going on out there and at UOP than ever before. Westgate is not going to crumble.

The Westgate tenants themselves admitted they would struggle without the Coyotes.

Arizona Coyotes fans boost Glendale tax revenue

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

With the track mayor Stanton is on I wouldn't be surprised if some extremely hard pushes are made to get the Coyotes downtown. I don't really like the Talking Stick idea traffic can be a nightmare over there and it eliminates West Valley fans like Glendale did east. As for Sarver given his lack of connection to Phoenix (Tucson hotel mogul and San Diego resident) what he chooses to do might be unpredictable.

They are not concerned with alienating west valley fans since the majority of fans reside in the east valley and would have access to it. The owners want a new building with luxury suites and other amenities to make money off. Its just unlikely they can get this type of stadium built in downtown Phoenix without tearing down existing infrastructure.

Scottsdale was not on board the first time this proposal was placed, I doubt they'd want to do it later. Phoenix will definitely want it and has the tax base/population to better socialize the cost.

Apples to Oranges

The first location was in South Scottsdale which is in a much more urban location that is proximal to housing and neighborhoods. The NIMBYs didn't want the noise and congestion which comes with adding a stadium. Talking Stick is in North Scottsdale where there is more open land and privacy. It's a completely different scenario.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

The Westgate tenants themselves admitted they would struggle without the Coyotes.

Arizona Coyotes fans boost Glendale tax revenue

Of course game traffic matters, but the team has not left yet and may never leave. There's two years at least for growth, change, recovery and planning. I'm telling you the place is not going to "crumble" as much as some would find schadenfreude in that happening.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Of course game traffic matters, but the team has not left yet and may never leave. There's two years at least for growth, change, recovery and planning. I'm telling you the place is not going to "crumble" as much as some would find schadenfreude in that happening.

The Coyotes are gone. They lost 34 million under the old deal. They will lose more money under the new deal. They get paid 8 million less per year in management fees. And Glendale can outright fire the Coyotes as arena manager if they give notice by April 2016 meaning the Coyotes are not even guaranteed that 8 million for their final season. The Coyotes can compensate by increased ticket sales, parking and concert venues. That amount was 6 million last year. But it's likely they will make less than 6 million because attendance is surely going to drop due to the lack of talent on the roster and ensuing losses.

Maybe Westgate survives because it serves as the night life and entertainment capital of the West Valley. Outside of Westgate, what does the West Valley really have in terms of night life? So I understand how it may not erode like many assume. I think the casino will go through and enhance the area.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by azriverfan.

Maybe Westgate survives because it serves as the night life and entertainment capital of the West Valley. Outside of Westgate, what does the West Valley really have in terms of night life? So I understand how it may not erode like many assume. I think the casino will go through and enhance the area.

I'm telling ya, minor league hockey and basketball, the AHL and NBA D-League. It's a win-win situation, just curtain off the upper deck, and you have 63 days worth of home games between the two teams. You can name the AHL team, the Glendale Roadrunners and the D-League team, the Glendale enFuegos or something.

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

I'm telling ya, minor league hockey and basketball, the AHL and NBA D-League. It's a win-win situation, just curtain off the upper deck, and you have 63 days worth of home games between the two teams. You can name the AHL team, the Glendale Roadrunners and the D-League team, the Glendale enFuegos or something.

Trust me, they would rather watch Monster truck rallies and Wrestling than that. And i would too