07-10-2010, 05:02 PM
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Sorry if already covered but am curious if any of you have received photo radar tickets yet it was not you driving but someone else who borrowed your car!?!?! Am guessing it just comes to me having to rat out who I loaned my car to or suffer the consequences myself unjustly?
07-10-2010, 05:27 PM
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Yes, it has been covered at length. I'd send the ticket back, ratting out some "distant cousin" that lives in Peru (or something like that). Maybe a "friend" or relative that lives out of state. They won't pursue someone out of state.
07-10-2010, 05:32 PM
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Just remember in the "brave new world" of the USA you are guilty until proven innocent
07-10-2010, 06:04 PM
Location: Southern Arizona
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Obviously you know the adult thing to do, Sengle . . . DO IT.
07-11-2010, 10:22 AM
Location: Tempe and Payson
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I do believe there are instructions on the ticket if it is not you driving. You just send it back with a copy of your driver's license to show them the photo is not you and they will dispose of the ticket. The part of the ticket where it wants you to identify the person in the photo if you know them is not mandatory. It's up to you whether you want to fill this part out or not.
07-11-2010, 12:48 PM
Location: Rural Michigan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
crystalys
I do believe there are instructions on the ticket if it is not you driving. You just send it back with a copy of your driver's license to show them the photo is not you and they will dispose of the ticket. The part of the ticket where it wants you to identify the person in the photo if you know them is not mandatory. It's up to you whether you want to fill this part out or not.
FYI, although this
has been covered, if you show up in person, - and deny it's you driving, the judge will likely
force you to disclose the driver, even though those cases have been
repeatedly thrown out on appeal, because you don't
legally have to disclose who the driver was.
Or you can just
pay the ticket... the government here could
really use the money... somewhere...
07-11-2010, 01:31 PM
Location: La Jolla, CA
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If the person was ticketed by a live DPS officer while driving your car, they'd have a ticket already, and would have to handle it themselves. If the person was driving their own car, they'd have a ticket and it would be their responsibility.
07-11-2010, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
43north87west
If they object to you forwarding their information to DPS, maybe you should reconsider loaning your car to irresponsible people.
Understood. The devil is always in the details. The reprehensible awful person in this case was my wife.
I guess we'll just end up paying darn thing. However, I'd like for her to request some type of deferred ajudication where if she pays the fine and doesn't get another one for however long, it simply drops off. Anyone heard of this? It should cost about the same as defensive driving without the awful wasted saturday in traffic school. I can't believe this stuff works. Don't you have a right to not testify against relatives or something to that effect? This has all gotten so crazy, I read about someone that came up here for a superbowl game and got 2 photo tix on the way home and someone in Tucson actually served him.
07-11-2010, 02:36 PM
Location: Rural Michigan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
sengle1013
Understood. The devil is always in the details. The reprehensible awful person in this case was my wife.
I guess we'll just end up paying darn thing. However, I'd like for her to request some type of deferred ajudication where if she pays the fine and doesn't get another one for however long, it simply drops off. Anyone heard of this? It should cost about the same as defensive driving without the awful wasted saturday in traffic school. I can't believe this stuff works. Don't you have a right to not testify against relatives or something to that effect? This has all gotten so crazy, I read about someone that came up here for a superbowl game and got 2 photo tix on the way home and someone in Tucson actually served him.
You don't
have to pay it, and you're
unlikely to ever be served. They only have 90 days from the date of the infraction to serve you, and the clock's tickin'.
That's
why the state is turning the cameras
off on the 101 - 60%+ of the tickets were never paid.
If you feel
"bad" for not paying, you can donate $200 to the charity of your choice and make your wife say 10 "hail mary's".
At least
that won't get your car insurance jacked.
07-11-2010, 02:43 PM
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
sengle1013
Sorry if already covered but am curious if any of you have received photo radar tickets yet it was not you driving but someone else who borrowed your car!?!?! Am guessing it just comes to me having to rat out who I loaned my car to or suffer the consequences myself unjustly?
It happened to me.
You are not a police officer, detective, etc. It is not your job to find out who was driving.
Write them a letter and tell them that the person behind the wheel is not you.
Our ticket was handled by our lawyer. There are lawyers who will handle this sort of thing for about 150.00.
I don't know what kind of ticket you received in the mail so I don't know how expensive the ticket is.
I'd ask the person who was driving to pitch in for the lawyer if need be.
In the end, it's better to maintain a clean driving record so your auto insurance will not go up.
Good luck
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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I guess we'll just end up paying darn thing. However, I'd like for her to request some type of deferred ajudication where if she pays the fine and doesn't get another one for however long, it simply drops off. Anyone heard of this? It should cost about the same as defensive driving without the awful wasted saturday in traffic school. I can't believe this stuff works. Don't you have a right to not testify against relatives or something to that effect? This has all gotten so crazy, I read about someone that came up here for a superbowl game and got 2 photo tix on the way home and someone in Tucson actually served him.
