03-05-2008, 11:51 AM
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I thought I was going to be heading up north on I-17 every weekend. I've found that road to be an extremely long drive and a major pain in the ass. It's very unpredictable; some times you can get all the way to Flagstaff and back without a hitch; other times you can be backed up for literally hours due to accidents blocking the road. I've had a number of close calls on that road, and I'm a defensive driver. By the time I get to Flagstaff or Sedona I'm so stressed out half the fun is ruined. I've timed it several times; going from Tempe to Flagstaff without making a single stop, driving the speed limit (unlike many other posters on this forum such as people who claim they can drive to San Diego in 4 hours, I actually follow traffic laws), takes no less than 2:30. Getting to the Katchina Trailhead on the San Francisco peaks, one of my favorite hiking spots, you can round that up to 3:00.
I-17 can be quite a challenge, fortunately there are numerous other roads to access high elevation areas of AZ. The Mogollon rim is easily accessed via Highway 87 or Highway 60 through the Salt River Canyon if you are headed to Show Low or Pinetop. There's also Four Peaks Wilderness Area, Mt. Lemmon in Tucson, The Pinal Mountains in Gobe etc. etc. If you want to beat the crowds you're going to have to be a little more creative than jumping on I-17 with the rest of the herd heading to Flagstaff on the weekend.
03-05-2008, 11:57 AM
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I hear ya' Vegas. I'm not sure how/why people are drawn to the Phx area, but it seems to be happening more & more & in huge #'s I'm sure you would agree. I think theyre saying 1000 people a day to the Gilbert area?? Crazy!
If I had my druthers I'd probably choose SD over Phx but, with the super-high cost of living & being that more than half of my wife's fam migrated to Gilbert/Mesa, I might have a fight on my hands! LOL!
People here in MI like to escape the crazy city in the summers too. We call it going "Up North". Its a mad dash up I-75 at 5pm on Friday & back Sun afternoon!! 200 plus miles of gridlock, brake lts, & stress galore!! Its a trip I rarely take anymore, mostly because there's really no change in temp & no real landscape or mountains to view. Good camping, fresh air, lakes & pines are the claim to fame, which are not bad, dont get me wrong. Just not a dramatic change like PHX to Flagstaff.
03-05-2008, 12:11 PM
Location: Phoenix metro
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Its a trip I rarely take anymore, mostly because there's really no change in temp & no real landscape or mountains to view.
Going from this.....
http://http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/147/DETROIT~Comerica-Park-Detroit-Michigan-Posters.jpg (broken link)
to this....
http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/main_100_0671.jpg (broken link)
...isnt a change in landscape, then I dont know what is!
Its just as drastic as going from this:
http://arac.com/images/locations/phoenix.jpg (broken link)
...to this, if you ask me!
03-05-2008, 12:13 PM
Location: In the North Idaho woods, still surrounded by terriers
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City-dwellers (Phoenix, Tucson, etc) probably don't get as many bugs as suburb and country dwellers but we have a LOT of biting, stinging, nasty, ugly bugs in AZ. Steve-O knows of whence he speaks! Those blasted whiptail scorpions (vinegaroons) and centipedes are the worst, and they bite like crazy! I will never forget my first night in my Prescott-area home when I was watching TV and felt something slither across my foot...it was a centipede that measured 9 1/2 " long!
03-05-2008, 12:16 PM
Location: Phoenix metro
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City-dwellers (Phoenix, Tucson, etc) probably don't get as many bugs as suburb and country dwellers but we have a LOT of biting, stinging, nasty, ugly bugs in AZ. Steve-O knows of whence he speaks! Those blasted whiptail scorpions (vinegaroons) and centipedes are the worst, and they bite like crazy! I will never forget my first night in my Prescott-area home when I was watching TV and felt something slither across my foot...it was a centipede that measured 9 1/2 " long!
Frickin awesome!
Ive found a few in AZ that I was tempted to bring home, but they were still young and I didnt feel like waiting around for years for them to mature. You see, where most people freak out about AZ's fauna, I find it incredible and would LOVE to live around them everyday. But the only problem is that all the cool bugs are in the PHX area, and I hate PHX with a passion. Dang it PHX, ship your bugs up to Santa Fe or something!
And watch the vinegaroons, dont get that spray in your eyes, I hear it burns like the devil.
03-05-2008, 12:20 PM
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Steve - O,
I know AZ's got a lot of creepy-crawly, spider, insect, snakes & stuff, but my inlaws have been in the area for over 10 years & have never seen any of the above. My b-i-l is a home inspector & rides quads in the desert near the Superstition range and has only seen a few. We know theyre there, but out of sight, out of mind. Most areas are treated for these bugs & usually a non-issue. We have the West-Nile mosquito scare every year on the news. As for killer bees, whats with that? How are they handling this?
Ah, that is a nice change, but thats the Upper Peninsula & hell of a lot longer drive! Try about 9-10 hours (over 500 miles) from Detroit to where your pics are from. The Porcupines are not really mountains either. Yes, nice landscape but most people dont travel even half that far. Not even close to the PHX to Flagstaff, I've done both.
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03-05-2008, 12:27 PM
Location: Phoenix metro
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Steve - O,
I know AZ's got a lot of creepy-crawly, spider, insect, snakes & stuff, but my inlaws have been in the area for over 10 years & have never seen any of the above. My b-i-l is a home inspector & rides quads in the desert near the Superstition range and has only seen a few. We know theyre there, but out of sight, out of mind. Most areas are treated for these bugs & usually a non-issue. We have the West-Nile mosquito scare every year on the news. As for killer bees, whats with that? How are they handling this?
Man, this thread is going off-topic, big time. PM me if you want some info.
03-05-2008, 12:30 PM
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Aren't most of those pictures from the UP Steve-O ? That's about an eight to nine hour drive from Detroit. Seems strange to compare that to Phoenix versus Flag.
03-05-2008, 01:02 PM
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For Heavens sake, its not 94 degrees with 95% humidity, more like 94 degrees with 50-60% humidity, and only for short stretches.
And the heat in AZ doesnt just hang around for a few days with nice breaks in the middle. Its consistently HOT from April until mid-October. Are you prepared for that? If you think a handful of 90 degree days in NY is bad, are you prepared for several straight months of 100 degrees and up? Last year PHX had 33 days that were over 110 degrees and almost 4 months worth of 100 degrees and up. Sure the allure of more sun sounds nice, but come the middle of summer, youll be like everyone else down there--praying for clouds and some cool temps, which sometimes dont come for a few more
months . Some people dont grasp the severity of Phoenix summers and end up despising them and whining about them just as much as a bad winter. Ive seen it happen a gajillion times. Vacationing somewhere and living somewhere are two totally different things, alot of people dont realize that. Just make sure you do before you move.
I think you really hit the nail on the head- it isn't necessarily that it's hot, it's the sheer
relentless and consistent, prolonged heat for so many months on end w/o any break at all, even at night, that makes the summers in PHX so oppressive. In upstate NY, you'll get a few days of awful heat, but then a cold front will roll through, it'lll thunderstorm, and then be pleasant again. Don't count on that happening in PHX- it doesn't. The heat will start in mid to late April, and it absolutely will not stop for at least 5 months. People visit for a few days in June or July, and think, "well, it's not so bad, at least it isn't humid", but if you have to put up with it nonstop for such a prolonged length of time, trust me, it gets to you. I know, b/c I thought the same thing once, coming from MI.
03-05-2008, 01:05 PM
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Aren't most of those pictures from the UP Steve-O ? That's about an eight to nine hour drive from Detroit. Seems strange to compare that to Phoenix versus Flag.
It actually takes less time to drive from Detroit to Washington, D.C. than it does to drive from Detroit to Houghton, at the northern tip of the UP, if you can believe that. I know, I've done both & timed it.
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)