The Phoenix "haters" (live, shopping center, moving)

[49erfan916]

So far, my experience living in Phoenix has been awesome!

[KurtAZ]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I don't understand this opposition to newcomers. I moved here 17 years ago from the East Coast myself. I suppose you don't think I should of moved here either.....😒

Not to take this of-topic or anything...but the mantra 20 years ago was "Welcome to Arizona, now go home". I really don't mind newcomers...they usually only stay a couple of years and then move on. You've been here 17 years so, while not a native (neither am I) you are invested in the State and know some of the history. Many of the recent transplants don't know or don't care.

The ones I have a problem with are the ones that move here thinking they are on a permanent vacation. Acting like we don't have laws and thinking since it is the "Wild West" they can do anything they please. Sorry...speed limits are still here. Stop signs mean you STOP. 13 year-olds riding mini bikes in a neighborhood is still illegal. Sound ordinances still state your outside stereo needs to be turned down at 11PM.

I love it when people move here and say "Oh the people are so nice" and then proceed to be rude, inconsiderate and sometimes downright mean to others. I see it at our local market all the time.

There was a recent article (I'll have to find it) talking about people escaping failed Blue states and settling in Red states, bringing all the failed policies in their heads that ruined where they came from. Don't get me wrong, AZ has some serious shortcomings, and many people moving here from Blue states are trying to get away from the the idiocy, They don't seem to want to accept that things are different in AZ and no, it wasn't better where you came from. Otherwise, you would still be there.

Anyway...sorry, you asked. On the plus side, our home values have gone up substantially in recent years so Thank you newcomers for driving up the housing prices. I should make some serious money when I sell eventually.

[Colt AZ]

Originally Posted by 49erfan916

So far, my experience living in Phoenix has been awesome!

Yep. We're TERRIBLE, aren't we?

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Everyone who moves here degrades the quality of life for those already here. That includes me. But I came here (sent by the Army actually) over 40 years ago when there were less than a million people here and "the resource" was not taxed beyond its limits like it is now. I don't know exactly when the limit was reached but I would say Peak Phoenix was probably in the early 1990s. It has been downhill since then as a nice place to live.

Not from my perspective, it has gotten better here from where I sit in the 17 years I've been here (albeit more expensive)

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by BIG CATS

It's "should have", not "should of".

Thanks grammar police

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

Not to take this of-topic or anything...but the mantra 20 years ago was "Welcome to Arizona, now go home". I really don't mind newcomers...they usually only stay a couple of years and then move on. You've been here 17 years so, while not a native (neither am I) you are invested in the State and know some of the history. Many of the recent transplants don't know or don't care.

The ones I have a problem with are the ones that move here thinking they are on a permanent vacation. Acting like we don't have laws and thinking since it is the "Wild West" they can do anything they please. Sorry...speed limits are still here. Stop signs mean you STOP. 13 year-olds riding mini bikes in a neighborhood is still illegal. Sound ordinances still state your outside stereo needs to be turned down at 11PM.

I love it when people move here and say "Oh the people are so nice" and then proceed to be rude, inconsiderate and sometimes downright mean to others. I see it at our local market all the time.

There was a recent article (I'll have to find it) talking about people escaping failed Blue states and settling in Red states, bringing all the failed policies in their heads that ruined where they came from. Don't get me wrong, AZ has some serious shortcomings, and many people moving here from Blue states are trying to get away from the the idiocy, They don't seem to want to accept that things are different in AZ and no, it wasn't better where you came from. Otherwise, you would still be there.

Anyway...sorry, you asked. On the plus side, our home values have gone up substantially in recent years so Thank you newcomers for driving up the housing prices. I should make some serious money when I sell eventually.

I didn't leave the east because of politics (I'm not a conservative), I left because of the weather, it really was that simple for me

[squirrel516]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

There was a recent article (I'll have to find it) talking about people escaping failed Blue states and settling in Red states, bringing all the failed policies in their heads that ruined where they came from. Don't get me wrong, AZ has some serious shortcomings, and many people moving here from Blue states are trying to get away from the the idiocy, They don't seem to want to accept that things are different in AZ and no, it wasn't better where you came from. Otherwise, you would still be there.

My family will be moving to the valley from NY. We are those people fleeing a blue state. However, we are not only running from NY, but we are also running to AZ. In my opinion there is a difference. There are plenty of red states to choose from, most of which are closer to where we currently live. But we are choosing AZ because it appears to be the best fit for us. That's a key point. We will not be the people saying, "back home..." AZ will be our home. And we won't be bringing the failed ideals of NY with us. We won't be complaining about the heat as if it were a surprise because we always visit in the summer so we can experience the hottest months. We know what we are in for as far as the heat, the less hot months will be easy.

I'm rambling a bit, but I think KurtAZ is making a good point. People shouldn't move to AZ (or anywhere else) and attempt to make it more like where they came from. One of our fears about AZ is the influx of Cali residents fleeing that blue state. I don't want AZ to become more like Cali. I want it to stay like AZ.

[Colt AZ]

Originally Posted by squirrel516

People shouldn't move to AZ (or anywhere else) and attempt to make it more like where they came from. One of our fears about AZ is the influx of Cali residents fleeing that blue state. I don't want AZ to become more like Cali. I want it to stay like AZ.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but the good news may be that NOT ALL Californians which come here are Phoenix or Arizona haters, nor do they want to turn Arizona into California.

The ones that do are biding their time. They're waiting for the right moment when the time is right. Then, they'll slowly but surely start making their demands. They'll begin undermining and attacking the Arizona way of doing things.

One thing (which is obvious to Arizonans) that they need to change is to have ALL stop signs removed. They will not "stop" until they have a full non-stop Arizona -- just like they have in California. They obviously have NO stop signs over there. When they come here, ALL of them do rolling "stops". They must keep rolling ALL the time.

The same with speed limits. ALL speed ALL the time. Even through school zones.

The thing they change after that is not obvious to me as yet.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by Colt AZ

Can't believe I'm saying this, but the good news may be that NOT ALL Californians which come here are Phoenix or Arizona haters, nor do they want to turn Arizona into California.

The ones that do are biding their time. They're waiting for the right moment when the time is right. Then, they'll slowly but surely start making their demands. They'll begin undermining and attacking the Arizona way of doing things.

One thing (which is obvious to Arizonans) that they need to change is to have ALL stop signs removed. They will not "stop" until they have a full non-stop Arizona -- just like they have in California. They obviously have NO stop signs over there. When they come here, ALL of them do rolling "stops". They must keep rolling ALL the time.

The same with speed limits. ALL speed ALL the time. Even through school zones.

The thing they change after that is not obvious to me as yet.

I don't know when the last time was that you went to California, but they do in fact have stop signs and traffic lights there....

[Burning Madolf]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

I don't know when the last time was that you went to California, but they do in fact have stop signs and traffic lights there....

Quick, look up! Oops, right over your head.