HOA shuts down a preschool (Maricopa: rent, how much, houses)

[Bummer]

Originally Posted by nitram

Of course many of you may not realize it but if you let one person get away with a business or anything else that violates the CC&R's, then you have a situation that allows everyone to do it therefore nullifying the CC&R's contractual agreement.

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

Nitram has brought up an excellent point, and that is setting precedents.

The HOA is required to enforce the CC&R's. So people have to understand them and live with them, or choose to live in a different community.

Sums it up beautifully, Nitram and Captain Bill.

A Day Care with a few Toddlers today could evolve into a daily Gaggle of Screaming Rug Rats tomorrow with lots of vehicles dropping them off and picking them up. An innocent Piano Lesson once a week today could evolve into a regular Jam Session every evening until Midnight.

What's that old saying . . . IF YOU GIVE 'EM AN INCH, THEY TAKE A MILE?

As a general rule, those individuals who adamantly condemn HOA's and frequently violate the rules are the very same individuals who chose their home based on the results of equally and properly enforced CC&R's!

[J double R]

Originally Posted by Bummer

Sums it up beautifully, Nitram and Captain Bill.

A Day Care with a few Toddlers today could evolve into a daily Gaggle of Screaming Rug Rats tomorrow with lots of vehicles dropping them off and picking them up. An innocent Piano Lesson once a week today could evolve into a regular Jam Session every evening until Midnight.

What's that old saying . . . IF YOU GIVE 'EM AN INCH, THEY TAKE A MILE?

As a general rule, those individuals who adamantly condemn HOA's and frequently violate the rules are the very same individuals who chose their home based on the results of equally and properly enforced CC&R's!

consider me an exception.. I'll condemn HOAs till they are out of existence, but you'll never find me choosing my home in an area ruled (yes, ruled) by one..

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by J double R

consider me an exception.. I'll condemn HOAs till they are out of existence, but you'll never find me choosing my home in an area ruled (yes, ruled) by one..

Me too. I found a decent little house in a quiet neighborhood and I see absolutely no need for an HOA here. That's $100 a month that I don't give to some "manager" to tell me to pick up the pods on my lawn (we do have one of those pod trees, too).

The homes in my neighborhood are pretty well manicured and maintained, some better than others. The neighbors are involved in some renovations and they've had a pretty big pile of bricks in the front yard for several weeks now. Does it bother me? No. Do they bother me? No. We're friends. In fact they were the first and only people to welcome us to the neighborhood.

[BillyBaroo]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

Each time someone gets a violation letter, (say for weeds in the yard) the first thing they do is to look at their neighbors house to see if they can see any weeds. If they do, then they can complain that the neighbor has weeds, so why can't I.

Had an interesting situation here last week. The HOA sent out a few "weed violation" letters last week. This is a new development built by Pulte and they still control the HOA. Funny thing, I cleaned up my weeds, but a week later all the spec homes built by Pulte still have weeds in their yards.

[roosevelt]

Without homeowner's associations homes would have weeds, peeling paint, solar panels all over the roofs, garages converted to another room with cars all over the place including the area that is supposed to be the front yard.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by roosevelt

Without homeowner's associations homes would have weeds, peeling paint, solar panels all over the roofs, garages converted to another room with cars all over the place including the area that is supposed to be the front yard.

In some places, that may be true, in others, it's not. I use my neighborhood as an example, but I'm sure there are other areas that get along fine. My neighborhood would not be considered old, but look at all the older neighborhoods all over town that are really nicely kept and have never had an HOA.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by BillyBaroo

Had an interesting situation here last week. The HOA sent out a few "weed violation" letters last week. This is a new development built by Pulte and they still control the HOA. Funny thing, I cleaned up my weeds, but a week later all the spec homes built by Pulte still have weeds in their yards.

Is it possible that they used post emergent, which takes a little time, instead of pulling the weeds?

This was a bad season for weed control. We had some problems in our common areas and it took a little longer to get rid of them.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by observer53

In some places, that may be true, in others, it's not. I use my neighborhood as an example, but I'm sure there are other areas that get along fine. My neighborhood would not be considered old, but look at all the older neighborhoods all over town that are really nicely kept and have never had an HOA.

That's very true. I lived in a CA commiunity for 30 years without an HOA and the properties were well maintained.

If we were to look for a home in a non HOA community, we would check the community to see if we are comfortable with what we see in the community. Is there pride of ownership so that the properties are well maintained. Are people overhauling vehicles in the street.

I don't know the history of HOA's, but I do know they are here to stay. The developer sets a theme for the community and the cc&r's are written to maintain that theme and uniformity.

By driving through an HOA community one can see if it fits them. Does it allow RV's; horses; desert landscape, etc. If it fits the individuals lifestyle then they will be comfortable there. If it doesn't fit my lifestyle, then I wouldn't move there.

Where I live in Val Vista Lakes, there is a lush green theme, and I assume the developer wanted it to be an oasis in the desert. Everyone must have grass, trees, plants and some granite. No desert landscape is allowed.

So if one wants desert landscape, this would not be the place to buy. I like desert landscape, and have it in one of my rentals, but I also like the lush green landscape, and living on the water here, I forget that I'm in the middle of the Sonoran Desert.

A neighbor wanted desert landscape and planted some cacti, but had to remove them. He then planted plants and trimmed them in the shape of a cactus. It was a compromise for him. He knew coming in that desert landscape was not allowed. He tried to skirt the rules and it didn't work. He's happy now and is an excellent neighbor.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

Is it possible that they used post emergent, which takes a little time, instead of pulling the weeds?

This was a bad season for weed control. We had some problems in our common areas and it took a little longer to get rid of them.

Isn't that the truth? My yard literally got completely flooded in that storm that closed the 60 last year-- I forget exactly when-- the storm drains could not handle the amount of water coming down from Elliot Road-- and I have had different types of weeds, and very prolific ones (!!!!) ever since. Sometimes I think we need a weed control forum.

[lchoro]

HOAs will generally require a unlicensed day care facility provide its own fenced yard for a play area, provide proof of insurance, and restrict the number of kids under supervision before giving approval. It's obvious this homeowner was using common grounds and was taking on too many kids for supervision by 1/2 adults. The other issue is whether the day care provider is also taking in retarded kids. Our HOA was sued many years ago when one of these kids took a tumble on the slide and had to go to the hospital.