City Population Breakdown by Neighborhood 2000-2010; Predictions for 2010-2020? (Philadelphia: low income, renters)

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

I am surprised that District 1 was fairly stable if not for the loss of SCI Pittsburgh. I would have assumed it was in moderate population decline. There are a TON more kids here in Marshall-Shadeland than my former Polish Hill for certain.

Keep in mind that Bobby Wilson's district includes most of the Lower North Side as well. It wraps really weirdly with Lavelle's, who represents downtown, but then they use touch-point contiguity to attach Manchester, California Kirkbride, Perry Hilltop, etc.

I wouldn't be shocked if there was some growth in the Lower North Side. Not a lot, but enough to cancel out shrinkage in areas like Brighton heights and Observatory Hill.

Edit: Deb Gross's district does not include Garfield (or the black part of Stanton Heights south of Stanton Avenue). It is (from memory) Strip District, Polish Hill, all 3 Lawrencevilles, Bloomfield, Friendship, the whiter side of Stanton Heights, Morningside, and Highland Park.

Back in 2010 most of the black people in the district lived in Upper Lawrenceville (a temporary influx when the towers came down in East Liberty - was 1/3rd black), the "white" side of Stanton Heights, and southern Highland Park. All of those areas are much whiter now.

[gg]

Looks good on all fronts especially considering how dismal the predictions were. Look like we are becoming more diverse with gains in the Asian population.

Thanks for digging all this up.

[eschaton]

According to this dude, the biggest percentage growth in Allegheny County was Ohio Township, while the biggest in raw numbers was South Fayette.

Biggest percentage decline was West Elizabeth.

Also, Erie did drop below 100,000 (95,000 now)

[bradjl2009]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Keep in mind that Bobby Wilson's district includes most of the Lower North Side as well. It wraps really weirdly with Lavelle's, who represents downtown, but then they use touch-point contiguity to attach Manchester, California Kirkbride, Perry Hilltop, etc.

I wouldn't be shocked if there was some growth in the Lower North Side. Not a lot, but enough to cancel out shrinkage in areas like Brighton heights and Observatory Hill.

Edit: Deb Gross's district does not include Garfield (or the black part of Stanton Heights south of Stanton Avenue). It is (from memory) Strip District, Polish Hill, all 3 Lawrencevilles, Bloomfield, Friendship, the whiter side of Stanton Heights, Morningside, and Highland Park.

Back in 2010 most of the black people in the district lived in Upper Lawrenceville (a temporary influx when the towers came down in East Liberty - was 1/3rd black), the "white" side of Stanton Heights, and southern Highland Park. All of those areas are much whiter now.

I grew up in Upper Lawrenceville in the 90s through 2010s, and it was very white up through 2000, then was 1/3rd black in 2010 as you said, and definitely more white again today but still not as white as it was in the 90s.

[Independentthinking83]

Well it finally happened. The first time in nearly 70 years there was positive growth in Allegheny County. It looks like the city also stays above 300K this is good news for the region.

The City of Buffalo gained the most new residents in the Rust belt. 18,000 and ended their population decline for the first time in 80 years. 261,000 to 278,000 in 2020.

Cincinnati gained residents and its population is 309,000.

Cleveland lost 6% and is at 375,000.

Detroit lost 10% and is 636,000.

Given the past history of all these cities this is very good news. And quite surprising. Buffalo gains the most of all the rust belt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/buffalo...360f1.amp.html

[bradjl2009]

Surprised to see that about Buffalo. I would say Pittsburgh and Allegheny County are nicer, and also have a better climate than up there. While we have fewer people than Cincinnati now, we are more populated than St. Louis, as that city is down to 301,000.

[Independentthinking83]

Originally Posted by bradjl2009

Surprised to see that about Buffalo. I would say Pittsburgh and Allegheny County are nicer, and also have a better climate than up there. While we have fewer people than Cincinnati now, we are more populated than St. Louis, as that city is down to 301,000.

This is the best census in a lifetime for the county and city. The fact the county added population was huge. I still think we would do much better with better wages and more opportunities. The suburbs are still the reason for the county growth.

Buffalo is but isn’t surprising. It is really changing up there for the better. I posted a link a few days ago talking about the increases in downtown Buffalo etc. There was a lot of younger people. I was up there last month. A lot of traffic in the city too. It is a great city as well, but for the rust belt it looks like Buffalo is where most of the growth is. Amherst is a nice suburb. I see a lot of job postings for the area as well in finance and insurance.

I’m glad the rust belt as a whole did better this census than in a generation. It’s about time and long overdue

[bradjl2009]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking83

This is the best census in a lifetime for the county and city. The fact the county added population was huge. I still think we would do much better with better wages and more opportunities. The suburbs are still the reason for the county growth.

Buffalo is but isn’t surprising. It is really changing up there for the better. I posted a link a few days ago talking about the increases in downtown Buffalo etc. There was a lot of younger people. I was up there last month. A lot of traffic in the city too. It is a great city as well, but for the rust belt it looks like Buffalo is where most of the growth is. Amherst is a nice suburb. I see a lot of job postings for the area as well in finance and insurance.

I’m glad the rust belt as a whole did better this census than in a generation. It’s about time and long overdue

Another way to look at the census results to show how good they were for Allegheny County is a couple months ago, it was noted Pennsylvania had 100,000 more people than estimated from 2019. Allegheny County today was shown to have 34,000 more people than estimated, so a third of the extra population in Pennsylvania was thanks to this county! Kudos to our local census workers.

I admittedly haven't been to Buffalo in a few years, but it didn't impress me still the last time I was there, though I can see it, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland becoming more popular in the years to come with how expensive it is to live on the I-95 corridor. A lot of entry and mid-level office jobs for corporations could be based here much cheaper than a lot of other cities too.

[eschaton]

More information about the city and county. Some notes.

1. The city lost 11,818 white residents, and the remainder of the county lost 39,156 white residents. Nationally the number of white people dropped significantly as well. This in part seems to be due to a change in self-identification among Latinos, who mostly identified as white in 2010 but no longer do. However, our Latino numbers are low enough that cannot be the reason here. Some of it is probably more interracial children, and some of it is just...other white people...no longer calling themselves white.

2. The city's black population loss was the suburb's gain. While the city lost 10,660 black people, the balance of the county gained 12,477.

3. The Latino numbers continue to surprise me. Anecdotally speaking I have been seeing a lot more Latinos downtown and elsewhere, but I was not expecting a near doubling. I can't wait to see where they have settled.

[runpens1]

Yeah I was very pleasantly surprised by the results I saw today. Allegheny County grew for the first time in decades, the city only barely lost population, and the metro grew slightly as well. Here is the breakdown:

Allegheny County 1,250,578 (2020) 1,223,348 (2010) + 27,230 +2.2%
Armstrong County 65,558 (2020) 68,941 (2010) -3,383 -4.9%
Beaver County 168,215 (2020) 170,539 (2010) -2,324 -1.4%
Butler County 193,763 (2020) 183,862 (2010) +9,901 +5.4%
Fayette County 128,804 (2020) 136,606 (2010) -7,802 -5.7%
Washington County 209,349 (2020) 207,820 (2010) +1,529 +0.8%
Westmoreland County 354,663 (2020) 365,169 (2010) -10,506 -2.9%
Metro 2,370,930 (2020) 2,356,285 (2010) +14,645 +0.6%
Pittsburgh 305,704 (2020) 302,971 (2010) -2,733 -0.9%

Overall, it is a way better census than 2010 when the city fell 8.6%, the county fell 4.6%, and the metro fell 3.2%.