Pittsburgh Metro and City keep loosing population (Erie, Lancaster: middle-class, chapel)

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by gg

People are just fleeing northern cities for better run southern cities. Florida is increasing about 1,000. people a day. With a great governor and better everything, you can't stop it. Who the heck wants to live like we do here in this state? Wolf, PennDot, PA Turnpike, lousy weather, bad roads, pollution and more. Pittsburgh with its protests, love of Marxism and massive depression can't and won't attract people. Birth and death rates are made up excuses. We have a good football team, so that is more fun to talk about.

Hope this. helps.

Troll is obvious.

[rickms]

People are just fleeing northern cities for better run southern cities

Wait, Florida's sunshine and warmer winters is just a function of city leadership...?

[gg]

Originally Posted by KoNgFooCj

Troll is obvious.

So Florida isn't increasing 1,000 people A DAY?

Thanks for your enlightening post. Goodness.

My point was obvious. Stop blaming deaths and so-on for incompetence. We have very poor leadership. The massive tax thing used to work, but there are too many states kicking our butts. Why? Our leadership is living in the 80's with big taxation. What we need it to privatize and get rid of PennDot. Lower taxes. Promote business. Get rid of Wolf and that style of strong-arm/dictatorship nonsense. States that are increasing 1,000 a day don't do what he is doing. Troll? Really. Good luck to you in fantasy land. You are being led of the end of the plank, but too dumb to see it.

[rowhomecity]

Originally Posted by gg

So Florida isn't increasing 1,000 people A DAY?

Thanks for your enlightening post. Goodness.

My point was obvious. Stop blaming deaths and so-on for incompetence. We have very poor leadership. The massive tax thing used to work, but there are too many states kicking our butts. Why? Our leadership is living in the 80's with big taxation. What we need it to privatize and get rid of PennDot. Lower taxes. Promote business. Get rid of Wolf and that style of strong-arm/dictatorship nonsense. States that are increasing 1,000 a day don't do what he is doing. Troll? Really. Good luck to you in fantasy land. You are being led of the end of the plank, but too dumb to see it.

Privatize Penn Dot?? Really? You are asking for EVERY Bridge and Tunnel in Greater Pittsburgh to be tolled as a means of Revenue.

Harrisburg privatized their parking system. Sold it to some private company. They increased rates over 50%, and literally have decimated the attraction to go into that city.

Privatization is not always the answer.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by rowhomecity

Privatize Penn Dot?? Really? You are asking for EVERY Bridge and Tunnel in Greater Pittsburgh to be tolled as a means of Revenue.

Harrisburg privatized their parking system. Sold it to some private company. They increased rates over 50%, and literally have decimated the attraction to go into that city.

Privatization is not always the answer.

There’s been quite a few posters here that are in favor of making/raising taxes to make Pittsburgh better, so in conjunction with that, tolling could be a great option to help with revenue and fix infrastructure.

[gg]

Originally Posted by rowhomecity

Privatize Penn Dot?? Really? You are asking for EVERY Bridge and Tunnel in Greater Pittsburgh to be tolled as a means of Revenue.

Harrisburg privatized their parking system. Sold it to some private company. They increased rates over 50%, and literally have decimated the attraction to go into that city.

Privatization is not always the answer.

I don't think you will really get what I am going to try to explain to you, but here is my plan for PennDot.

1. Hiring freeze from top to bottom.
2. PennDot needs to shrink to a handful of people that oversee projects and allow open bidding from private companies to take place.
3. PennDot needs to eventually only be a board of a few people an no labor force at all.

This will take a decade or so to take place of course, but people that can actually see the future like President Eisenhower and his infrastructure that is used beyond anyone's imagination today will understand what I am saying. You need to look at what the future holds. PennDot is wildly outdated. PA Turnpike is actually moving faster with changing how it operates. It is a complete mess however because the Turnpike is funding failing ventures that need to be fixed up in a big way. The amount of waste in everything government does is mind-blowing. If the government gets involved BOOM game over. Look what they did to college! Everyone should go to college and we guarantee a loan. Colleges sure licked their chops on that one. Get a 4 year degree at Pitt and it will cost $100,000! Yep, let's go more socialist. Damn people are getting dumber and dumber. Maybe computers are sending messages somehow to young people to be so easily led. Governments are NOT the answer. We are.

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by gg

I don't think you will really get what I am going to try to explain to you, but here is my plan for PennDot.

1. Hiring freeze from top to bottom.
2. PennDot needs to shrink to a handful of people that oversee projects and allow open bidding from private companies to take place.
3. PennDot needs to eventually only be a board of a few people an no labor force at all.

wait, what? i am not sure you understand the full picture. PennDOT does have construction crews, but major jobs are bid out to contractors. the penn dot crews do maintenance, smaller jobs like guide rail replacement or slab replacement...

there is so much more - what about their HR? benefits people. planners. CAD drafters. geologists, and so on.

hate to break it to some, but as bad as every government agency is, most are better than how bad they CAN be. people are imperfect, so large bodies made up of human people are imperfect, and moreseo the bigger they get.

penn dot is actually not a terrible DOT, as much as I know. I cant make a statement on their maintenance and grounds crews specifically, though.

[gg]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

wait, what? i am not sure you understand the full picture. PennDOT does have construction crews, but major jobs are bid out to contractors. the penn dot crews do maintenance, smaller jobs like guide rail replacement or slab replacement...

there is so much more - what about their HR? benefits people. planners. CAD drafters. geologists, and so on.

hate to break it to some, but as bad as every government agency is, most are better than how bad they CAN be. people are imperfect, so large bodies made up of human people are imperfect, and moreseo the bigger they get.

penn dot is actually not a terrible DOT, as much as I know. I cant make a statement on their maintenance and grounds crews specifically, though.

They are a joke and need to go away.

[rowhomecity]

The problem I find with Penn DOT, is like the rest of the state, it is highly fractionalized in terms of government.

Each individual district has their own priority project, and very little cohesive or strategic planning is done on a statewide planning.

Also statewide, the districts seem to have different engineering directives, without much of a cohesive built road type level.

Two things that would really save the station hundreds of millions.

Consolidate townships and local governments into large bodies, and cut the districting of Penn DOT, into one statewide body, to oversee project management and priority projects for a statewide transportation strategy.

[santafe400]

I think the whole "Kentucky in-between Philly and Pittsburgh" mantra needs to be put the rest. The combined population centers in south central PA (Harrisburg/York/Lancaster) are significant in their own right and wouldn't be surprised if that area surpasses greater Pittsburgh in population in the coming decades.