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View Poll Results: Would you have voted for the CRA?
Yes 34 75.56%
No 11 24.44%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-24-2010, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, trying to leave
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I wouldn't have as it was, the Act created massive bureaucracy and caused the largest expansion of government - possibly since the War for Southern Independence.

As much as I think that shopowners should never exclude a person based on race, I don't think that the government has any right to tell a business owner who they must serve. I think that refusing to serve colored people was a business mistake most of the time, but the government should be telling individuals who they must allow on the premises.

I would have voted to allow equal to government services and to end segregation in government offices, except schools, but would have set a timeline to integrate schools.

And before the attacks come my way, know this, I am well educated, young (23), and not from the South, I am from Buffalo, NY.

I won't shy from my opinion, and am not racist in any way, I just value the right to choose as a property owner would you will allow on your property over integration at the barrel of a gun.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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Nope.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Yes.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:09 PM
 
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They're back....

Rand Paul dust up v3.6.9 as if v3.6.8 wasn't buggy enough!

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Old 07-24-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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And before the attacks come my way, know this, I am well educated, young (23), and not from the South, I am from Buffalo, NY.

I won't shy from my opinion, and am not racist in any way, I just value the right to choose as a property owner would you will allow on your property over integration at the barrel of a gun.
I am a well educated, old guy from the south as we used to say, there is down south and up south, I think you can guess where Buffalo lies on that map...

First of all the passage of the Civil Rights Act wasn't a page from Mao's Little Red book, integration wasn't forced at gun point (Central High School and the University of Mississippi being the exceptions) but by white folks accepting it as the law of the land (sometimes with a little non-violent (at least on the protesters side) nugging.

Second you have the right to do whatever you want to do on your personal property, but your business is more than that, it is a state established and regulated enterprise and as such voluntarily removes itself from being just personal property. Particularly when that enterprise is engaged in interstate commerce.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I did a term paper MANY years ago in college on the subject of the CRA. I wish I still had that paper but I came to the conclusion that the free market would eventually lead to the downfall of racially segregated lunch counters and other businesses. If a shop owner is excluding a large percentage of the population while another shop owner is welcoming them, the first shop owner will eventually be forced to either accept the minorities or close down his business.

I would not have voted for the CRA simply because I value private choice in fiscal matters rather than government intervention. The almighty dollar would have fixed the situation, the government should have stayed out.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:28 PM
 
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I am a well educated, old guy from the south as we used to say, there is down south and up south, I think you can guess where Buffalo lies on that map...

First of all the passage of the Civil Rights Act wasn't a page from Mao's Little Red book, integration wasn't forced at gun point (Central High School and the University of Mississippi being the exceptions) but by white folks accepting it as the law of the land (sometimes with a little non-violent (at least on the protesters side) nugging.

Second you have the right to do whatever you want to do on your personal property, but your business is more than that, it is a state established and regulated enterprise and as such voluntarily removes itself from being just personal property. Particularly when that enterprise is engaged in interstate commerce.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:39 PM
 
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I did a term paper MANY years ago in college on the subject of the CRA. I wish I still had that paper but I came to the conclusion that the free market would eventually lead to the downfall of racially segregated lunch counters and other businesses.
"Eventually" is a mighty long time considering that the profit motive didn't do a damned thing to integrate lunch counters, with the following caveat; the major chains when confronted by the bad press brought on by Freedom Riders being spat on and otherwise abused put pressure on their southern franchises and branches to accept the inevitable but that wasn't a case of searching for new markets rather than hoping to hold on to what they already had.

Good thing I wasn't your prof.
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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"Eventually" is a mighty long time considering that the profit motive didn't do a damned thing to integrate lunch counters, with the following caveat; the major chains when confronted by the bad press brought on by Freedom Riders being spat on and otherwise abused put pressure on their southern franchises and branches to accept the inevitable but that wasn't a case of searching for new markets rather than hoping to hold on to what they already had.

Good thing I wasn't your prof.
So you'd still have a few segregate lunch counters that wouldn't earn any money today. You really think that the world would lose sleep over that?

And as for the buses... When the last time you've even seen a White person on a bus, they would have gotten desegregated in the 80s at LATEST.

Finally, are you suggesting that professors should give bad grades to students who don't tow the Liberal line? I know it happens, and has happened to me, and I think it's disgusting to punish a student for their political beliefs in a place that is supposed to be conducive to thought and open debate.

As long as the debate is between the left and far left only right? Because the right, although it exists on campus, has been totally marginalized and mocked - Obama's best friend Saul Alinsky couldn't be prouder.
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Old 07-24-2010, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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I am a well educated, old guy from the south as we used to say, there is down south and up south, I think you can guess where Buffalo lies on that map...

First of all the passage of the Civil Rights Act wasn't a page from Mao's Little Red book, integration wasn't forced at gun point (Central High School and the University of Mississippi being the exceptions) but by white folks accepting it as the law of the land (sometimes with a little non-violent (at least on the protesters side) nugging.

Second you have the right to do whatever you want to do on your personal property, but your business is more than that, it is a state established and regulated enterprise and as such voluntarily removes itself from being just personal property. Particularly when that enterprise is engaged in interstate commerce.
Thanks for your post!!!

According to this guy it would still be totally American for black people to be forced to the back of the bus along with every other minority group, whites still get to sit up front, I wonder if we would still have to give up our seat if all the white ones were taken.

He asked for no one to attack him and then goes on to attack and attempt to label anyone who disagrees with him.

Even if he had not included his age reasonable folk would have deduced it anyway.
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