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Old 07-28-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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We have an apartment complex in the city where I live that is installing electrical power sources for people who have electric cars. They already have a waiting list of people who want to rent those spaces. Retro-fitting apartment houses for electric cars will become a spin-off business to these cars in the near future as well motels will start offering the service. Do you think gas stations were on every corner before they started selling autos at the turn of the century? No they used curbside, push cart gas pumps outside of hardware stores like this: Curb Side Gas Pump | Proxibid® and before these push carts they actually had barrows of gas sitting at the curb. They used to haul the barrows to hardware stores with a horse-drawn wagon. New technology always breeds new growth industries and ends outdated ones like buggy whips and driving goggles. Some of us will resist the change but others of us will embrace it.
That's all fine and dandy if you can actually park where you live. This will be a flop, no doubt about it.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:49 PM
 
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Apparently I'm not the only "dense" party to this conversation. I read the article and am fully aware that there is a 40 mile electric range, and a motor back up
And yet you complain you can't use it for the family vacation? That is quite odd.

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The Nissan LEAF has a greater range and a $10,000 cheaper price tag. The Prius is just over half the price. Why the hell would someone pay $41,000 for such a limited use vehicle, such a price for a "commuter" automobile, when other models are better performing at thousands of dollars in saving?
Now you've turned yourself in circles.

The Leaf is a really cool car but the Volt, since it has a backup gas generator, should have a range of about 300 miles. That would be much more than the Leaf. Perhaps you should redirect your vacation complaint to the Leaf? If I can drive non-stop to Vegas from Phoenix in the Volt, but not in the Leaf, how does the Leaf have greater range? How is the Volt more limited? Most drivers will mainly use electric if they drive a Volt, but the option to drive at 50 mpg with gas is available if needed.

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Apparently you just love to subsidize the rich folks who can afford this "feel good" vehicle. Hollywood tree-hugging yahoos will be the biggest market for the Obamobile.
Ah true city-data forum tactics... if someone disagrees with you slap a generic label that you can attack on them. You don't know anything about whether I want to subsidize the rich and I've not commented on that, my only argument is with your illogical and false claims about the Volt.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: California
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That's all fine and dandy if you can actually park where you live. This will be a flop, no doubt about it.
This probably WILL be a flop, but the research is being done that might lead to something down the line that WON'T be a flop. That's the hardest part about change....nothing happens overnight. There is always a lot of hit and miss that goes along with it.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:51 PM
 
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Yep, 40k for the car and 7k every 5 years for new batteries. YEP, this will be a flop!
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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This probably WILL be a flop, but the research is being done that might lead to something down the line that WON'T be a flop. That's the hardest part about change....nothing happens overnight. There is always a lot of hit and miss that goes along with it.
There are better ideas for now. NG is one of them. Existing motors can be retrofitted to run NG and existing gas stations can be retrofitted to dispense NG. This electric thing is just silly as it gets.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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When will they manage to find someone to dispose of the used batteries? Just wondering.
What would make you imagine they haven't already?

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Did you notice the date they had to have the batteries? Why November, of course and what else takes place that month?
That's just dumb.

First to market is its own reward. Because it's certainly not capable of influencing any elections.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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The best part of this story is that I can't get anywhere out of my tiny town on just one 40 mile charge. Yesterday I went to my dentist and it was a 136 mile round trip. I wonder how fast those chargers will do their job and how long one would have to wait in line out here in the sticks.

I have to go to a periodontist Friday and will have to drive my old 1999 Chevrolet Lumina and get the normal 30 miles mpg on it. It is just 140 miles from my house to his doorway so I guess that would be 7 charges in a Volt.

Get rid of those gas eaters and stop this dependency on oil. What do most of our electrical generators work on? Coal, natural gas? What? Green is sad but then it is Obama's color.
Roysoldboy, this vehicle is just not practical as priced. If my math is correct, a mid-line Prius will retail for around $25,000 (according to their website) and get about 50 mpg. The difference in price is $16,000, or the equivalent of 3200 gallons of gasoline at $5/gallon. At that $5/gallon rate, the Prius would be able to travel 160,000 miles more just on the difference in sales price alone. Makes no sense to buy a VOLT even if gasoline were to double in price.

IMO, this is nothing more than a feel-good campaign. The advertisements and government propaganda will try to sell the "green" aspect of an electric car, but the fact remains that the increased usage of electricity and associated "non-green" aspects of auto ownership may well offset the savings in gasoline.
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Old 07-28-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Makes sense to me.
Well... that's one of us.
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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What would make you imagine they haven't already?


That's just dumb.

First to market is its own reward. Because it's certainly not capable of influencing any elections.
What makes you think that Government Motors worries about battery disposal? They don't on their current models, and probably will have the same attitude about the VOLT. After it rolls off the dealership, Government Motors could give a flying ratazz.

So it's "dumb" to think that the Obama will not use the electric car to claim at least partial fulfillment of a campaign promise? Talk about DUMB!!
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Old 07-28-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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What makes you think that Government Motors worries about battery disposal?
Coming from the same guy who probably thinks Nissan Leaf stores energy in thin air.
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