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Bull, I have read Muslim Leaders and Scholars and seen them on their TV programmes in the Middle East.
So, if I watch, The Christian Broadcast network, a few televangelist read a couple of books, I'm qualified to discuss the goals of Christianity? Thanks for proving my point.
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The real question is why are you so slow to understand its global objectives and push for global sharia which cannot tolerate any other system - period - and why do you seemingly always come to Islam's defence?
Considering that you don't know me, have no foreknowledge of what I know about Islam, what I think about Islam, when I became aware of Islam, and have never to my knowledge corresponded with me about any of the above, I think it is save to assume that your knowledge of Islam is no more facile than your knowledge of me and what I think, what I know and what I have experienced?
Why do you and others think this is a competiton with Christianity and Islam? Another strawman.
Its not a strawman.
Look, the poster I commented on, and I was responding too said that Islam is bad, because the Qur'an says to kill infidels.
By the same logic, Christianity is bad because it says to kill non believers.
I don't look down at either religion for this. I find it funny when the followers will then say "Every word is the word of God" yet when you bring these verses up, suddenly, they don't follow them, or make up some lame excuse as why they don't.
The real reason people don't kill infidels or non believers is because they know its wrong, and its not the word of God.
08-15-2010, 01:10 PM
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So, if I watch, The Christian Broadcast network, a few televangelist read a couple of books, I'm qualified to discuss the goals of Christianity? Thanks for proving my point.
Considering that you don't know me, have no foreknowledge of what I know about Islam, what I think about Islam, when I became aware of Islam, and have never to my knowledge corresponded with me about any of the above, I think it is save to assume that your knowledge of Islam is no more facile than your knowledge of me and what I think, what I know and what I have experienced?
frankly they were not that interested until you blew up NYC.
08-15-2010, 01:17 PM
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Its not a strawman.
Look, the poster I commented on, and I was responding too said that Islam is bad, because the Qur'an says to kill infidels.
By the same logic, Christianity is bad because it says to kill non believers.
I don't look down at either religion for this. I find it funny when the followers will then say "Every word is the word of God" yet when you bring these verses up, suddenly, they don't follow them, or make up some lame excuse as why they don't.
The real reason people don't kill infidels or non believers is because they know its wrong, and its not the word of God.
No one mentioned Christianity - you brought it up out of no where. As if to negate the premise of the poster. Your response was irrelevent and in order to win the point you made it sound as if it was a competition with Christianity - as if that was the argument at hand - it was not therefore it was a strawman.
You do not look down at a religion that calls for the subjugation, humiliation, or murder of non-muslims - seems worthy of looking down on to me.
No one mentioned Christianity - you brought it up out of no where. As if to negate the premise of the poster. Your response was irrelevent and in order to win the point you made it sound as if it was a competition with Christianity - as if that was the argument at hand - it was not therefore it was a strawman.
You do not look down at a religion that calls for the subjugation, humiliation, or murder of non-muslims - seems worthy of looking down on to me.
Calvinist brought up that the Qur'an says to kill infidels, in context, I responded that the bible says the same thing.
Just providing another look at the matter.
And as I said, the religions as a whole, no, I don't look down on. Religions are capable of doing great things. However, its the individuals who warp and shape religion to their perverted vision of whats right and wrong, thats who I hate. The same ones that use it to subjugate people.
Catholics did it for centuries
08-15-2010, 01:23 PM
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You may not call it hate, but it has all of the aspects of hate.
People don't understand it, or want to. They lump everyone into one group, instead of focusing on the small percentage who actually does bad things.
It'd be a prejudice if Islam didn't spread across many cultures and races.
There are things worthy of hate - Islam is one of them and any of the main and true forms throughout its history according to the schools that exist. I am not talking about individuals per-se. You are just a coward and afraid to make judgments about things worthy of disgust and hatred. I hate liers thiefs and murderers too - can you - no you are one of those evolved and enligthened people.
There are things worthy of hate - Islam is one of them and any of the main and true forms throughout its history according to the schools that exist. I am not talking about individuals per-se. You are just a coward and afraid to make judgments about things worthy of disgust and hatred. I hate liers thiefs and murderers too - can you - no you are one of those evolved and enligthened people.
If you hate Islam for what it has done, and what its currently doing, then you've got to hate Christianity equally.
There will be no way of knowing, but I'd be willing to bet that more people, many times over, have been killed in the name of Christ than Muhammad.
Both religions are quite bloody. But in reality, its not the religions that force people to kill, people generally just use them to kill.
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