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Wrong, homosexuality is not a choice. If you are straight then you have no clue about what you are talking about. Did you choose to be straight? When did you make the choice to be straight? You never made the choice and neither did we.
Wrong, homosexuality is not a choice. If you are straight then you have no clue about what you are talking about. Did you choose to be straight? When did you make the choice to be straight? You never made the choice and neither did we.
You don't know that it's not a choice and/or preference for some people. You can only speak for what you know for yourself or what someone tells you, you don't know everybody who's homosexual. What about the homosexual who marries a female (or male), has a family then decides "to come out" as homosexual. Wasn't it a choice that they were straight to begin with?
So what do you know? You can only speak for yourself.
You don't know that it's not a choice and/or preference for some people. You can only speak for what you know for yourself or what someone tells you, you don't know everybody who's homosexual. What about the homosexual who marries a female (or male), has a family then decides "to come out" as homosexual. Wasn't it a choice that they were straight to begin with?
So what do you know? You can only speak for yourself.
Please remember that there is a difference between "engaging in homosexual or heterosexual ACTS" and actually BEING a homosexual or heterosexual.
Plenty of people do sex acts without actually being attracted to that person or sex. Porn is rife with "gay for pay" and "porn lesbian" stereotypes.
One can be married to the opposite sex, and still be gay. OR, they are bisexual.
You don't know that it's not a choice and/or preference for some people. You can only speak for what you know for yourself or what someone tells you, you don't know everybody who's homosexual. What about the homosexual who marries a female (or male), has a family then decides "to come out" as homosexual. Wasn't it a choice that they were straight to begin with?
So what do you know? You can only speak for yourself.
Not exactly a "choice" to be straight, just them not "realizing" their sexuality or supressing it due to environmental issues.
One doesn't simply "choose" their sexuality. They may supress their true nature, but they don't choose it.
Homosexuals can not procreate between the chosen partners of their homosexual civil union. This is not debatable, it is a fact.
Until you can be honest, do not respond to me. Your devious remarks or ignorant ideas are absurd in this discussion and all you do is insult intellectual discourse by continuing to attend to such fallacious positions.
Honest? Yeah right, like you are being honest. I will respond wether you like it or not. You do not control me or anyone else. If you do not like what I say then do not read it. It is you that attacks others when they do not agree with you. I have not insulted anyone, it is you that insult the gays and lesbians with your bogus, thoughtless and unfound ideas. It is you that is fallacious in your position and that is why you and all the bigoted christians are going to fail in the long run with their direct attack against gays and lesbians. Get over your self, you are no big deal just because you are straight. There are many straight people that cannot procreate with their chosen partner and that is a fact. Why can they get married? Oh you answered that one, they are straight and thus could have had children if they were fertile. That does not float one bit and will not in court. Find another bogus reason to deny us the same equal rights that you abuse every day. None of your reasons make any sense at all.
One can be married to the opposite sex, and still be gay. OR, they are bisexual.
More often than not, the latter. In fact, most people actually are bisexual. I know I am. Granted, I only like very feminine males, like, so feminine they look like girls, but still.
Ok, based on my position, lets put your claim and mine to a simple logic test.
Bob is a male.
Bill is a male.
Marry is a female.
Bob and Bill are homosexuals. They decide they are going to have a child. Bob and Bill can not produce one between them. Mary volunteers to be a surrogate.
Marriage is a description of the type of union, the capablity to which this union produces through a physical union to create a bloodline.
In order to create a child. We must have two components. That of a male and that of a female. So either Bob donates or Bill donates for the male half.
If bob donates:
Bob + Mary = child. This is a bloodline of Bob and Mary.
If Bill donates:
Bill + Mary = child. This is a bloodline of Bill and Mary.
There is no:
(Bob + Bill) + Mary = child.
It is either Bob or Bill and depending on who is chosen, they will be the true bloodline.
Bob and Bill create nothing between them, more specifically:
Bob + Bill = null
Are we clear now?
The fact that marriage encompasses sterile heterosexuals as a societal allowance, does not change the fact that the basic aspect of such IS possible between their sexes generally.
It is NEVER possible between that of a homosexual couple.
Horse is dead, stop beating it.
Blah blah blah, irrelevant to my argument. I don't care about your emotional "gays are people too!" claim, it has no bearing on the position of this discussion. We are talking about legal definition and purpose. Emotion is not an issue of this.
Gay behavior is only abnormal in the direct comparison of the normal behavior. That is, heterosexual coupling is normal sexual coupling. Homosexual coupling is abnormal in this respect.
OF heterosexual coupling, infertility among them is abnormal.
OF homosexual coupling, infertility among them is null. That is, it does not apply because homosexuals do not procreate between themselves.
You can not compare between them and mix them to make the claim of being a hypocrite as you do. It is Illogical to make such a comparison evaluation. '
Seriously, you are stretching here and you are purposefully avoiding accepting your failed position because you are emotionally attached to it.
I am done explaining to you. You are being devious or obtuse concerning my points, I am unsure which.
There you go again attacking someone because they do not agree with you. I think it is you that is being obtuse. It makes no sense at all that two sterile heterosexuals get a special allowance for being straight. Yet straight people can adopt or even have someone carry a child for them and that child does not have to be their egg and sperm and they still get treated as a "special" straight person and get the 1049 special straight marriage rights. There is no real excuse to exclude homosexuals from marrying other than religious and moral.
I don't see anyone here arguing that two males or two females can procreate with each other. Not to say, that they can't be parents, but they can't procreate.
That is complete and undeniable fact.
Whether or not that actually MEANS anything in terms of marriage, however, is something completely different.
You realize that a homosexual is not incapable of procreating with the opposite sex in the natural way. It's purely a mental hang up that prevents them from engaging in sexual and emotional interpersonal relationships with the opposite sex. Isn't it bizarre that it's so out of the norm and repulsive for them to conceive of having sex with someone of the opposite sex? That fact alone causes me to see them as abnormal. Why indulge a few mentally ill people their need to be seen as normal, will marriage do that for anyone who is homosexual? I have seen their argument that for gays it validates their relationships. Does it really do that for heterosexuals? I don't think so.
Gee, I wished that hets would just get over themselves. Being gay is not a mental hangup, but being a bigot is. There are people that cannot understand how people can eat insects and other foods that they are unfamiliar with and consider it wrong or disgusting. Many straight people are like that with gay sex, they do not understand it, often find it disgust and thus think it is wrong. We are not mentally ill and it would be appreciated if you would just quit calling us that.
Wrong, homosexuality is not a choice. If you are straight then you have no clue about what you are talking about. Did you choose to be straight? When did you make the choice to be straight? You never made the choice and neither did we.
I know that, I'm just giving you the opposition answer. The problem is, no matter of scientific study is going to convince them of this. Thats because its a religious question, God says homosexuality is wrong, so no matter what scientists tell us, God is always right.
I bring that up, so you can find a different way in, civil rights perhaps, perhaps another way.
I know people are born one way or another, I've seen the research. I have no problem with gay marriage, at all.
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