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Old 09-03-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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Actually, he was a communist. The two are significantly different.
Yet remarkably similar in their "handling" of any opposition.
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:28 PM
 
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Young latin guy in beret is sexier on t-shirts than a wrinkly guy in a cowboy hat.

Just a guess.
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Old 09-03-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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You lost all credibility by saying " I do not know of any libs who like Che Guevara"
Do you know any? Please give me examples!
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Do you know any? Please give me examples!
You are kidding right? That was just a shoot from the hip invitation to lay you out, wasn't it?

I'd respect a person wearing a tshirt with a fallen US soldiers image on it. These people are, to me, far and away above Che on the hero scale. In fact Che couldn't even make the hero scale. War criminal scale, he'd be right at the top.
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:40 PM
 
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Thanks for the excerpt, I'm going to read it tomorrow, going to bed right now.

My problem here is that I'm not denying that Che did things that are to be considered murderous and atrocious. He did all that, and he ruined Cuba's agricultural sector to boot, causing or at least not stopping spreading famine in the years after the revolution.

My problem is rather this:





Why such mindless (pardon) generalizations? How does such behaviour encourage discussion and/or further mutual solutions to urgent problems?

Do you really think that Liberals don't read? That they get a kick out of associating with mass murderers? That they do such associating because they are inherently evil and morally bankrupt?

But enough, time to go to sleep.
Hey, I am not the one who idolizes Che, Lenin, Castro, and Mao. MANY on the left glorify these homicidal maniacs. It is just odd that anyone with any common sense whatsoever who values liberty would be fond of these people.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Hey, I am not the one who idolizes Che, Lenin, Castro, and Mao. MANY on the left glorify these homicidal maniacs. It is just odd that anyone with any common sense whatsoever who values liberty would be fond of these people.
Clapping wildly!!!

Che is just the Hollywood liberals experiment of rebranding a freelance militant thug and terrorist into a revolutionary hero. It's all about the money, and look how well its paying them for their efforts. They've turned yet another lie into a money machine. Nevermind the witless sheep who've followed the lie as some kind of twisted truth. Some pretty amazing $#it really.
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:57 PM
 
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You are kidding right? That was just a shoot from the hip invitation to lay you out, wasn't it?

I'd respect a person wearing a tshirt with a fallen US soldiers image on it. These people are, to me, far and away above Che on the hero scale. In fact Che couldn't even make the hero scale. War criminal scale, he'd be right at the top.
OK, so you can't name any actual liberals who like Che. Just give me one. There is no doubt that he was a war criminal of the worst sort. But just because you hate Che (who doesn't) and also liberals does not mean that liberals love him.
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Old 09-04-2010, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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I have elderly friends who lost parents relatives in Che' and Castro's bloody revolution. They still have family stuck in Cuba whom they have not seen in decades. Perhaps you should speak to some of these now elderly Cubans whom had to flee their homeland and find out first hand information and experiences before attacking others. Until then
Hey, you can't make an ommelette without leaving egg shells all over the floor. You can't have a convulsive revolution without casualties. Cuba lurched from a kleptocratic, right-wing fascist state under Bautista to a commie left-wing fascist state under Fidel. Of course all of Bautista's rich supporters had to flee for their lives.

I used to work with one of Bautista's nephews. He told me about the mad scramble to flee Cuba with the family's gold, jewels, and cash. How did the Bauistas and their allies become so rich, in such a dirt-poor land, I wonder?

There was a period after taking power where Castro attempted a raproachmont with the US, for whom he actually still has a great deal of respect and affection. We responded by systematically trying to kill him.

At least under the Beared One, the kids all go to college, and there is free health car. Castro is a paranoid, but who wouldn't be, as many times as the CIA has tried to bump him off.

If it were not for 60 years of undermining by the US, who knows what Castro might have accomplished in Cuba? We'll never know.

As the old guard in Miami dies out, maybe we can finally have a saner policy toward Cuba. Everyone would benifit.
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Old 09-04-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You liked Cuba just fine the way it was under Batista, right? Russia the way it was, China the way it was. Just cant imagine why they had such violent revolutions, can you?

I really dont understand how some of you live with yourselves with your paltry awarenesses of history. Not specifically you, LLMOG.



Lets see, What if Ted Nugent rounded up all you Progressive wack-jobs, and executed them dead, never to hear the liberal social collective crap again?

Ted would be the new Che!

Go Ted!!
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Old 09-04-2010, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Anyone plan to celebrate the assassination of Che' on October 9th?
Actually, Che was executed, not assassinated, reputedly by a half drunk Bolivian Army sergeant who was following orders. The CIA was said to have been quite unhappy about this, they would have much preferred Guevara be turned over to them for interrogation.
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