Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
And here, on taking the flu vaccine, from someone who has had Guillain Barre syndrome:
"I do not know whether my illness was an idiosyncratic autoimmune phenomenon or whether I am predisposed to similar events in the future. It has been suggested that those who are still within six weeks of the onset of an episode of the syndrome or those whose episode was initially precipitated by vaccination should avoid the vaccine, which seems sensible. In view of the potential risks of and likely exposure to flu infection as a healthcare professional, the lack of relapse of the syndrome in a sizeable number of people who have had the flu vaccine, and the lack of a persistent causal association, my current view is to consider “having the jab” when it becomes available."
Dr. Laura Price, who is a British intensive care specialist
Was it wrong to not routinely warn recipients of the 1976 vaccine about the risk of Guillain Barre? Here is where absolute numbers come into play. Anyone who has a rare complication is going to say, "If I had known, I would not have taken the vaccine."
But what was the actual risk?
From Dr. Price:
My concern stems from the “swine influenza” vaccination programme in the United States in 1976, when 45 million people were given the influenza A(H1N1)/New Jersey/1976 vaccine. Vaccinations were suspended after 10 weeks mainly because 532 new cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome, or just under one case per 100 000 vaccinations, were reported, with a peak relative risk exceeding 12 in the two to three weeks after vaccination.1 To put this into context, the European incidence of the syndrome is 1.2 to 1.9 cases per 100 000 people, although the incidence increases with age,2 and the estimated background incidence within six weeks of any vaccination is 0.07 to 0.46 cases per 100 000 people vaccinated.3
So the risk from the vaccine was actually a bit lower than the background risk.
She also notes,
An important question is whether the syndrome is more likely to develop after flu vaccination or after flu infection itself. A study of 553 people with the syndrome and 5445 matched controls found an 18-fold increase in the risk of recurrence of the syndrome in the two months after flu-like illness (odds ratio 18.6 (7.5 to 46.4)), whereas the study suggested a possible protective effect of vaccination (odds ratio 0.16 (0.02 to 1.25).20 A more recent, self controlled case series using 775 episodes of the syndrome showed that the relative incidence within 90 days of flu-like illness was 7.4 (4.4 to 12.4), higher within 30 days (16.6 (9.4 to 29.5)), whereas the relative incidence within 90 days of vaccination was 0.76 (0.41 to 1.4).19These studies suggest that although flu-associated Guillain-Barré syndrome is rare, the risk is much higher than that after vaccination. Large scale flu vaccination has even been proposed as a means to protect against the syndrome.16
So, I think it was reasonable to not routinely advise every person receiving the vaccine about Guillain Barre in 1976. The risk was small, and the risk was likely smaller than the risk of getting Guillain Barre from the flu itself.
And Dr. Price, who spent 3 months in intensive care with Guillain Barre, would take the flu vaccine. You cannot have a more well informed consumer than she is.
I have given flu shots for at least 35 years. I can almost guarantee that if you get the real flu, not gastroenteritis, you will be first in line the next fall for your flu shot. Patients have told me this. I've had the flu and I don't want it again. My daughter had it and got pneumonia, was sick for two weeks. She says of the flu shot "anything would be better than getting the flu".
Yeah yeah. Heard that before. Had the flu twice. Had pneumonia twice (thankfully not at the same time). Pneumonia is about 100 times worse then the flu in my opinion. The flu slows me down a bit and makes me feel like crap. Pneumonia puts me in bed for a week and slows me down the next week.
And no, I wasn't talking about having a bad case of diarrhea.
I have given flu shots for at least 35 years. I can almost guarantee that if you get the real flu, not gastroenteritis, you will be first in line the next fall for your flu shot. Patients have told me this. I've had the flu and I don't want it again. My daughter had it and got pneumonia, was sick for two weeks. She says of the flu shot "anything would be better than getting the flu".
Had the flu, never get the flu shot and it is not as horrible as many claim. You have a fever, body aches and just feel like crap. It is done in a few days. Not worth getting injected with fake crap to avoid. If you take care of yourself while you have it chances are it does not turn into anything else.
No, I'm not confusing anything ... I know ... AND YOU KNOW I know the differences ... and I'm surprised you think I'm going to let the lies go unchallenged in this thread anymore than I have in the others.
The FDA, CDC and Pharmaceutical companies have NEVER tested ethylmercury safety, so the "shown to be safe" is a flat out lie. They have committed willful fraud in assuming the same toxic effects of those two forms when the knew there were differences ... and they chose the lessor of the toxic effect substance to set "guidelines".
No, methylmercury is MORE toxic than ethylmercury.
Quote:
Non-pharmaceutical company/FDA tests have shown the exact opposite ... that ethylmercury exposure concentrates in the brains of those exposed test animals at TWICE to FIVE TIMES the rate of methylmercury, and that those test animals experienced neurological dysfunction at common human child dosage.
You keep saying this, but your arithmetic is wrong. Basic algebra is all that is needed.
Damn straight! See this from the link in post #90:
Fudenberg's lack of a license does not appear to have stopped him from offering medical services to the public. His Neuro Immuno Therapeutics Research Foundation Web site offers the following services: review of past medical records ($750 per inch); determining what tests are needed, ordering the tests, and interpreting the tests ($750); and determining which therapy will work (usually 2 hours @ $750/hour).
It appears that the reason South Carolina would not give him his license back is beacuse he has some type of neuropsychiatric problem, possibly some form of dementia.
It appears that the reason South Carolina would not give him his license back is beacuse he has some type of neuropsychiatric problem, possibly some form of dementia.
I was unable to detect it from his Curriculum Vitae.
Had the flu, never get the flu shot and it is not as horrible as many claim. You have a fever, body aches and just feel like crap. It is done in a few days. Not worth getting injected with fake crap to avoid. If you take care of yourself while you have it chances are it does not turn into anything else.
So blame my daughter, who was 9 at the time, for getting pnuemonia when she got the flu. Pneumonia is a common complication of flu. Of course, I'm certain it was something she personally did wrong that caused it.
Many people are ill for two weeks with the flu. Just because you had a mild case, it doesn't mean everyone does, and it doesn't mean you will the next time.
Most people who get influenza will recover in a few days to less than 2 weeks, but some people will develop complications (such as pneumonia) as a result of the flu, some of which can be life-threatening and result in death.
So blame my daughter, who was 9 at the time, for getting pnuemonia when she got the flu. Pneumonia is a common complication of flu. Of course, I'm certain it was something she personally did wrong that caused it.
Please show me where I blamed your daughter! You can't because I did not.
Quote:
Many people are ill for two weeks with the flu. Just because you had a mild case, it doesn't mean everyone does, and it doesn't mean you will the next time.
Most people who get influenza will recover in a few days to less than 2 weeks, but some people will develop complications (such as pneumonia) as a result of the flu, some of which can be life-threatening and result in death.
I simply said that the majority of people who get the flu do NOT end up with anything other then the flu. Do not put words in my mouth. If you take care of yourself while you have it chances are you will not get anything else and you will be fine in a few days.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
