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Never let it be said that the firebrand conservatives on this board let facts get in the way of their opinions:
A new study suggests children of gay parents are not only psychologically healthy, but often appear to exhibit better social and academic adjustment and a significantly lower incidence of social problems than their peers.
A recent CDC study (http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf - broken link) of gay men in 21 cities found 1 in 5 were infected with HIV. Something like 44% of them were unaware they were infected.
This is after more than 20 years of frantic, worldwide mass-media AIDS awareness campaigns. Many of these men would have heard about AIDS before they entered puberty and later realized their penis was pointing in a gay direction.
Meanwhile the media feeds the public these squeaky-clean, cute stereotypes of gay men that seem so likeable and harmless. And since most of the public uses these images in their thought-processes, it’s no wonder so many people have kneejerk reactions to support gay rights, gay adoption, gay everything.
When you present facts like this, or the fact that gay men are not allowed to give blood, it muddles up the waters and begins to point to uncomfortable conclusions.
What does a person's HIV status have to do with taking care of a child. People with HIV can lead completely normal lives with the correct medical treatment. I think you are confusing HIV positive gay men with pedophiles, no? I ask again, what does anyone's sex life have to do with taking care of a child? 99% of men watch porn, should that exclude men from adopting?
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Originally Posted by mrwumpus
But don’t worry, just close your eyes, point the finger and unleash the kill terms like “homophobic” and pretend those foster children will be just fine in the gay household. If the gay community keeps getting its way, you’ll be fine too when you receive their blood at your next hospital visit.
All donated blood is tested. High risk sexual activity (gay or straight) precludes certain people from donating blood. Again, what does this have to do with giving a child a loving home?
It's all about whose standards for "normal" you use.
How about just sticking to the standards used by people who actually study this kind of thing for a living?....
If normal is described as "of or apart of characteristics innate to human existence or found within the realm of human characteristics," then there is no need to discuss the standards for "normal." Just as left handed people are different from the majority (or, being raised by two left handed people), does not make left handed people "not normal."
A recent CDC study (http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf - broken link) of gay men in 21 cities found 1 in 5 were infected with HIV. Something like 44% of them were unaware they were infected.
This is after more than 20 years of frantic, worldwide mass-media AIDS awareness campaigns. Many of these men would have heard about AIDS before they entered puberty and later realized their penis was pointing in a gay direction.
Meanwhile the media feeds the public these squeaky-clean, cute stereotypes of gay men that seem so likeable and harmless. And since most of the public uses these images in their thought-processes, it’s no wonder so many people have kneejerk reactions to support gay rights, gay adoption, gay everything.
When you present facts like this, or the fact that gay men are not allowed to give blood, it muddles up the waters and begins to point to uncomfortable conclusions.
But don’t worry, just close your eyes, point the finger and unleash the kill terms like “homophobic” and pretend those foster children will be just fine in the gay household. If the gay community keeps getting its way, you’ll be fine too when you receive their blood at your next hospital visit.
Here are a few more facts for you - kind of quells the notion that women/heterosexuals should be foster parents, don't you think?
"The U. S. Department of Health and Human Services claims that a woman in the United States gets tested positive for HIV every 35 minutes and nearly 25% Americans surviving with HIV are women."
"HIV is so pervasive in the poorest urban regions of America that infection rates match those of developing countries, where the condition is endemic among the general population.
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Because the study only looked at heterosexual adults, it's also a reminder that HIV in the U.S is by no means exclusive to gay men or intravenous drug users. "
A recent CDC study (http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/FastFacts-MSM-FINAL508COMP.pdf - broken link) of gay men in 21 cities found 1 in 5 were infected with HIV. Something like 44% of them were unaware they were infected.
This is after more than 20 years of frantic, worldwide mass-media AIDS awareness campaigns. Many of these men would have heard about AIDS before they entered puberty and later realized their penis was pointing in a gay direction.
Meanwhile the media feeds the public these squeaky-clean, cute stereotypes of gay men that seem so likeable and harmless. And since most of the public uses these images in their thought-processes, it’s no wonder so many people have kneejerk reactions to support gay rights, gay adoption, gay everything.
When you present facts like this, or the fact that gay men are not allowed to give blood, it muddles up the waters and begins to point to uncomfortable conclusions.
But don’t worry, just close your eyes, point the finger and unleash the kill terms like “homophobic” and pretend those foster children will be just fine in the gay household. If the gay community keeps getting its way, you’ll be fine too when you receive their blood at your next hospital visit.
Yes, we wouldn't want a child's life to get in the way of someone's 'rights'.
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick
What does a person's HIV status have to do with taking care of a child. People with HIV can lead completely normal lives with the correct medical treatment. I think you are confusing HIV positive gay men with pedophiles, no? I ask again, what does anyone's sex life have to do with taking care of a child? 99% of men watch porn, should that exclude men from adopting?
All donated blood is tested. High risk sexual activity (gay or straight) precludes certain people from donating blood. Again, what does this have to do with giving a child a loving home?
Because they really don't know how ALL people get Aids.
And, how do they know if someone is a "High risk sexual activity" person? Their word???
Here are a few more facts for you - kind of quells the notion that women/heterosexuals should be foster parents, don't you think?
"The U. S. Department of Health and Human Services claims that a woman in the United States gets tested positive for HIV every 35 minutes and nearly 25% Americans surviving with HIV are women."
"HIV is so pervasive in the poorest urban regions of America that infection rates match those of developing countries, where the condition is endemic among the general population.
...
Because the study only looked at heterosexual adults, it's also a reminder that HIV in the U.S is by no means exclusive to gay men or intravenous drug users. "
Actually, it is very helpful. It is more evidence to show that adults who are irresponsibile with their bodies and those of their sexual partners--to the point of infecting each other with myriad harmful diseases--should not be allowed to parent foster children.
Actually, it is very helpful. It is more evidence to show that adults who are irresponsibile with their bodies and those of their sexual partners--to the point of infecting each other with myriad harmful diseases--should not be allowed to parent foster children.
Ah, but that's a totally different argument then, isn't it? I happen to agree that people who indulge in certain high-risk behaviors are probably not good foster-parent material. But, it is behavior and not sexual orientation that should be the determining factor.
Just wondering, but, are are you suggesting that all gay people are by nature 'irresponsible?'
Because they really don't know how ALL people get Aids.
Umm.....yes, they do.
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Originally Posted by buddy5
And, how do they know if someone is a "High risk sexual activity" person? Their word???
I guess you could try waterboarding them, but generally you would just ask them. Bear in mind 40% of heterosexuals engage in anal sex, aka high risk sexual activity. Do you think they are all honest about it? That's all you have to go by, asking questions, and pretty sophisticated testing.
No, they don't. They think they do, big difference. NO form of birth control is 100% effective.
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Originally Posted by Zimbochick
Bear in mind 40% of heterosexuals engage in anal sex, aka high risk sexual activity. Do you think they are all honest about it? That's all you have to go by, asking questions, and pretty sophisticated testing.
Where do you get 40%? No one asked me.
And people don't lie? Do you really believe people always tell the truth?
No, they don't. They think they do, big difference. NO form of birth control is 100% effective.
Correct.
Which is why it's generally a good idea to get you and your partner tested before engaging in anything lasting.
In any case, this HIV argument is irrelevant to the discussion.
Not all homosexuals have it, and even if they did, that shouldn't be a barrier to them adopting children.
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