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Yet you supported the effort to implement a $2.5 TRILLION entitlement that no one knows the details of?
What I support is a move to a taxpayer funded universal health care system. Obama's reforms stop a number of gross abuses by the health insurance corporations, but they do not address the structural issues in the system. As such, costs will continue to rise.
Same can be said for Bush. Big deal. He (Obama) certainly WON'T be getting MY vote again.
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....and yet we still have people who don't see all of his many failures. Even with many in his own party turning against him and his failed, unpopular policies, we have people defending him. The're gonna ride that dead horse all the way, no matter how foolish it makes them look..
The democrats in Washington see him as poison, why do the loons in CD think he has any redeeming value...?
Anyone with any sense would not continue to defend him.
Folks with perfectly good eyes are found to be 'blind' all the time.
What is needed now is a miracle.
Your insurance rates have been going up by double digits every year for the past 10 years. Obama had nothing to do with it. Corporate greed and relaxation of government controls under Bush has everything to do with it!
LOL...Yeah Ok if you want to believe that!
I've been paying my own health care for 24 years now,self employed and until we were FORCED here in Mass. to have health care never did my rates go up that much,1-3% at best. Last year mine went up 40% so those who THINK they know what their talking about actually have no idea since you only listen to the BS they're feeding you and haven't actually been living it like we have here for the last 4 years.
Obama care was modeled after Massachusetts health care so you're all in for a rude awakening in the next few years!!
When Massachusetts launched its reform program in 2006, it already had the highest medical costs in the nation. Today, the burden is still rising far faster than wages or inflation, from those already lofty levels. A report from that state attorney general in March -- remember, this is a Democratic administration -- asked rhetorically "Can we expect the existing health-care market in Massachusetts to successfully contain health-care costs?" The report concluded, "To date, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.'
The reform has been more expensive than expected, costing $1.1 billion in fiscal 2008 and $1.3 billion in fiscal 2009. In the face of a state budget crisis in fall 2008, Gov. Deval Patrick announced that he will keep the reform afloat by draining money from safety-net providers such as public hospitals and community clinics.
As the provisions of the Affordable Care Act begin to be implemented, many small businesses in the United States will be able to take advantage of new tax credits, a new report shows.
During the first phase of the act, some businesses employing some 16.6 million workers will be eligible for these tax credits, according to the report released Thursday from the Commonwealth Fund.
Yeah, turns out if you have a crappy, failing business you can get tax credits. Good successful businesses are not eligible--they will get hammered until they are crappy, failing businesses too. The tax credits for health care are a vivid example of rewarding failure and punishing success. And if you do run a suceessful business, don't even think about using one of the few proven cost-reducers--Health Savings Account Plans--because Obamacare mandates "cadillac" coverage.
How many times can someone be wrong on the same issue?
Amazing how blind dems are.
Just maybe many dems are receiving or BELIEVING they will get another freebie out of the rest of us, that is why they are for this scam bill.
Some people needs to work and earn their own HC instead of stealing it from others.
No wonder 67% of Americans do not like this bill and yet the 20% who consider themselves liberal try to argue how great it is when we have proven over and over it is a scam that cost us all billions for nothing. Well, at least those of us who work and pay taxes and vote against the dems anyway.
Maybe the dems should just change the party name to DEMFARE instead of the party of welfare.
NAME ONE DEM CANDIDATE WHO IS RUNNING ON THIS HEALTHCARE BILL PASSING?
Name one who is going home and talking about HC in town halls?
But the dems want shut down congress 3 weeks early so they can go home and do nothing because they have no issues or subject to run on.
Thanks to the dems we are free falling into another recession.
The more I read about this the more I'm convinced that they want to price everyone out of health insurance to give them reason to create a nationalized, subsidized with taxes, health insurance.
I don't know why though..just add onto medicare and medicaid and start charging people.
Cause that was the goal in the first place but they stopped at "only the outraegeous" level of action.
Knew the rest would happen on it's own after that.
It's self propelled you know.
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What most people don't realize is that the Government has been decreasing the amount of money paid for medicare and medicaid procedures. My wife is a billing administrator for a hospital. They just recently dropped medical patients because of the crappy and untimely pay out for medical procedures. Guess who has to foot the extra costs because the Government is stealing from Medicare and Medicaid programs. YOU THE INDIVIDUALLY INSURED. There are idiots that actually think Obama care is not costing the individual or insurance companies. WRONG if you are not on a Government Welfare Insurance program like medicare or medicaid you and your private insurer are paying the extra cost. THANK YOU POS DEMOCRATS for raising my rates and payouts.
Everyone has been given an "opportunity" to pay for others.
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The insurance companies is raising your rates to give the CEO a bigger bonus and salary.
That too.
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Yet you supported the effort to implement a $2.5 TRILLION entitlement that no one knows the details of?
What about all the "remember whens" that were flat out LIES?
Just the first 3 - keeping your plan - NO, lowering premiums - NO, helping small business - NO. The bill he signed accomplishes NONE of the goals he laid out initially.
But they are only temporary and cover 50% at most for some small business. What business will take on employee health insurance in return for temporary, short term partial tax credits and then be on the hook for 100% later on ? Any SMART business person will weight all options and the financial benefit to their company first. A small business would be better off NOT offering any insurance and let the employees go into the pool.
LOL! Point out that there are tax credits for small business and the response is, "Yes, but".
LOL! Point out that there are tax credits for small business and the response is, "Yes, but".
Well obviously if you are a business you have to look at the entire picture..not just bits and pieces. Do you think they plan to hire temps and cover them ONLY while they get the credit ? It's not a permanent credit and they may not even get the credit as it's not just across the board.
Your post did not paint the entire picture..just "small business gets a credit".
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