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Old 09-27-2010, 12:55 AM
 
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I've called every friend I have who is politically left of center and told them we need to stick to it more than any other time in my life. 'Course I'm just 76. They said they would call everyone they knew. It's what we have to do.
My Dad, who is 84, sees the writing on the wall too...the corporate fat cats are setting us up again, only this time they will bilk the US Treasury and cause the Constitutional government to collapse. Yes, they are so greedy they would starve 98% Americans, including their useful idiots.
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Old 09-27-2010, 04:58 AM
 
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My Dad, who is 84, sees the writing on the wall too...the corporate fat cats are setting us up again, only this time they will bilk the US Treasury and cause the Constitutional government to collapse. Yes, they are so greedy they would starve 98% Americans, including their useful idiots.
In the late 1940's a corporate executive earned 5-10 times what an assembly line worker or carpenter made. By the late 70's it was about 50 times. At the end of Bush's two terms corporate executives were loading their personal friends and acquaintances onto their boards of directors and were making 550 times what ordinary working Americans were plus all manner of pensions, separation packages and golden umbrellas.

Tell your dad I think he's a smart man.

I have this story to tell. About thirty five years ago when I was in my prime we had a non-exempt employee who worked at a purchasing division site which was remote to our central location and who was charged with the responsibility of making last minute corrections to time cards and payroll activities for the division's non-exempt employees before normal weekly processing began each Monday. Back in those days ADP was quite differerent from today where everything is immediate so some weird arrangements existed. This individual's personal time card was signed Friday afternoon by her supervisor and that's the last time it was seen before processing began. This lady began by adding four hours of extra overtime to her own card. It went on for about two years and the last six months before she was caught some of her personal time cards had been altered to show that she worked as much as eighty hours during the week, sometimes two extra shifts on Saturday at time and a half or double time. Greed blinds individuals who are the benefactor of whatever actions are making them rich or richer and there is no limit to what they will try in order to enhance their personal wealth.

Both the employee and her supervisor were fired. That's what needs to happen now. I'm afraid it's too late because the whole scenario has spiraled out of control.

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Old 09-27-2010, 05:07 AM
 
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I think it's time for the Independents to stand up and be counted. I'm voting every incumbent out, Dem or Rep. I am voting for a person that will speak for me, not a party that is antiquated in their ideals. With all the old goats in DC it's time for some new blood and intelligence.

Listening to Pelosi, whether healthcare reform or stimulus, is like listening to a moron. In corporate America, if a woman stood up and intimated, insisted the majority vote for something that no one really had a clue what it contained, she would be out the door in a flash. What a joke.

I'm tired of news reports saying Dems or Reps are going to take over. My friends are voting them all out.
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:17 AM
 
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In the late 1940's a corporate executive earned 5-10 times what an assembly line worker or carpenter made. By the late 70's it was about 50 times. At the end of Bush's two terms corporate executives were loading their personal friends and acquaintances onto their boards of directors and were making 550 times what ordinary working Americans were plus all manner of pensions, separation packages and golden umbrellas.

Tell your dad I think he's a smart man.
Indeed, I will ! He will concur I'm showing him your damn skippy post too
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Old 09-27-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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LOL! Revisionist history? Forgot the eight heady years when the middle class disappeared and thousands of people were robbed of their life savings because their money was invested without their knowledge, a la Enron? The surplus that Bush 43 squandered by attacking Iraq, when the majority of the 9/11 highjackers were Saudis? Stripped us of many of our civil liberties? If the GOP plan is to look back at "The Golden Years Of W,"
the mid-terms will be a breeze. And please note that I used the qualifier "if," because it's going to be a wild ride, no matter what.
I agree!
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Old 09-27-2010, 07:25 AM
 
Location: FL
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Just curious. I used to be a Republican when they stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Where were you while this was going on:

Total Historical U S Debt(1980-2009)

09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)
09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)
09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation To Block Democratic Filibuster)
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation To Block Democratic Filibuster)

09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)
09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32(Clinton Administration Sets Tax Rates Back To Pre-Reagan Cuts)
09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
09/30/1980 $907,701,000,000.00
Who needs facts when you have Fox.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Who needs facts when you have Fox.
That bunch of right wing idiots ignored all forms of government debt while George W. was doubling the debt and funneling it to the wealthy. Now every hour of every day all you can hear is massive government spending and how more tax cuts are the way to go.

Can they really be that stupid or is it just Rupert Murdoch's views spewing from the anchor's mouthes?
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:56 AM
 
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You can call as many people as you like, nothing is going to stop the American people from standing up in November and putting an end to this insanity.
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:05 AM
 
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You can call as many people as you like, nothing is going to stop the American people from standing up in November and putting an end to this insanity.
One thing I've learned during my 76 years...if you don't try you don't have a chance. I'll keep on speaking up against the NEW Republican party who quadrupled the national debt under Reagan/Bush41 then after it was strightened out doubled it again under George W. Bush. That's the only real insanity I've seen.

Do you realize that when Reagan took over the annual interest on the national debt was less than $40 billion? Do you realize that after borrowing trillions from foreign banks to fund low tax rates for the wealthiest Americans that the annual interest climbed to as much as $400 billion? For comparison we spend about $100 billion on education and less than that on the infrastructure.

In George W. Bush's first cabinet meeting Dick Cheney said, "The Debt Doesn't Matter...Reagan Proved That." Maybe the debt doesn't matter but the annual interest on it does...big time!
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Old 09-27-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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One thing I've learned during my 76 years...if you don't try you don't have a chance. I'll keep on speaking up against the NEW Republican party who quadrupled the national debt under Reagan/Bush41 then after it was strightened out doubled it again under George W. Bush. That's the only real insanity I've seen.

Do you realize that when Reagan took over the annual interest on the national debt was less than $40 billion? Do you realize that after borrowing trillions from foreign banks to fund low tax rates for the wealthiest Americans that the annual interest climbed to as much as $400 billion? For comparison we spend about $100 billion on education and less than that on the infrastructure.

In George W. Bush's first cabinet meeting Dick Cheney said, "The Debt Doesn't Matter...Reagan Proved That." Maybe the debt doesn't matter but the annual interest on it does...big time!
Melvin, our current spender in chief will go down as the biggest debt creating president ever. He's spent more in his short time in office than any other president ever came close to and we have very little if anything to show for it. It's amazing how progressives love to live in the past, maybe it's because they can't handle talking about the current and know that they're not going to play much of a part in the future.

If Regan or either Bush were in office right now you would have a leg to stand on but today's spending is 100% progressive democrat. Remember, conservatives like myself are the party of NO.
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