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View Poll Results: Would you be comfortable with an atheist as Presidnet?
Yes, it makes no difference 73 40.33%
Yes, I would prefer it 52 28.73%
I wouldn't prefer it, but it wouldn't be a dealbreaker either 12 6.63%
No, I would never want an athesit as President 41 22.65%
Other 3 1.66%
Voters: 181. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-14-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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Only one god, eh? What about the Greeks? Romans? Egyptians? All the other polytheist culture out there?
So the Greeks and Romans are still polytheists?

Egyptians are now majority MUSLIM they stopped worshiping Ra and Sekhmet quite a while ago.

I'm not talking about the stone ages, I'm talking about 2010.

Can't keep it current can you?
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Morals and ethics do not exist for those that have no good book to cling on, to look for a guide to the right way, to be socially acceptable in life.


Religion is what civilized and socialized mankind, from a barbaric society.
That's right because they set their own morals according to how it suits them and do not consider a higher power. They are their own Alpha and Omega. They make their rules and because they don't believe they have anything to answer for that's how they live their lives.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Ah yes, the good ole 'No true Scotsman' fallacy. You don't get to pick and choose who is a 'true' believer and who isn't.
Why not?

Why do you get to determine the standard?
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As for evidence of the flood... it's been rehashed time and time again in the Religion and Philosophy forum so I won't go into that here.

Blind watchmaker, eh? Sorry, I don't buy that. It makes far more sense that it was a random occurrence than by some magical being snapping his fingers and creating it.
Does it? What existed prior to the "random occurrence"? I'm sorry, but I'm not that naive to believe in that sort of hocus pocus.

As I said, a fool says there is no God. Not to confuse "fool" with idiot. A fool is more of a statement about a person's willing ignorance.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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So the Greeks and Romans are still polytheists?

Egyptians are now majority MUSLIM they stopped worshiping Ra and Sekhmet quite a while ago.

I'm not talking about the stone ages, I'm talking about 2010.

Can't keep it current can you?
Islam never succeeded at wiping out Hindu polytheism in India or even establishing a clear majority in India.

India is still majority polytheist
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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So the Greeks and Romans are still polytheists?

Egyptians are now majority MUSLIM they stopped worshiping Ra and Sekhmet quite a while ago.

I'm not talking about the stone ages, I'm talking about 2010.

Can't keep it current can you?
I prefer not to 'keep it current' because as they say, those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

As for there being polytheistic cultures currently, yes there are. Shinto, Hinduism (although, there are polytheistic and monotheistic variations), Paganism, Wicca etc etc. There are still people who practice ancient Greek Paganism, Celtic Paganism and so on. There are also groups of Native Americans who also celebrate polytheism.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:08 AM
 
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How do you define if something is moral or immoral? What's your standard?
Well, I certainly didn't start with an archaic ancient book of goatherder laws based on hate, misogyny, and ignorance.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Why not?

Why do you get to determine the standard?


Does it? What existed prior to the "random occurrence"? I'm sorry, but I'm not that naive to believe in that sort of hocus pocus.

As I said, a fool says there is no God. Not to confuse "fool" with idiot. A fool is more of a statement about a person's willing ignorance.
You seem to be thinking of a Jewish or Christian president only, not a Muslim or a Shinto.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Why not?

Why do you get to determine the standard?


Does it? What existed prior to the "random occurrence"? I'm sorry, but I'm not that naive to believe in that sort of hocus pocus.

As I said, a fool says there is no God. Not to confuse "fool" with idiot. A fool is more of a statement about a person's willing ignorance.
I'm not determining the standard at all. If you call yourself a Christian, you're a Christian. Nobody gets to say 'no, you aren't'.

You really want me to get into the physics involved with what existed prior? There are people who have spent their entire lives devoted to it...go grab a book and start studying.

I don't care if you believe in a god or not, I really don't. Just don't force me to believe the same as you. I see zero evidence of a god, or any god... call me a 'fool' or 'ignorant' if you please, I am very comfortable in my beliefs.
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Morals and ethics do not exist for those that have no good book to cling on, to look for a guide to the right way, to be socially acceptable in life.


Religion is what civilized and socialized mankind, from a barbaric society.
hummmm where have i heard that one before.....
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Old 10-14-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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I'm not determining the standard at all. If you call yourself a Christian, you're a Christian. Nobody gets to say 'no, you aren't'.
So your standard is that there is no standard? That sounds like a standard.
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You really want me to get into the physics involved with what existed prior? There are people who have spent their entire lives devoted to it...go grab a book and start studying.
Use some logic. That's all I'm asking.
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I don't care if you believe in a god or not, I really don't. Just don't force me to believe the same as you. I see zero evidence of a god, or any god... call me a 'fool' or 'ignorant' if you please, I am very comfortable in my beliefs.
I couldn't make you believe if I wanted to. But as for calling you a fool? I don't mean it as an insult--I've been called much worse by atheists on this board. But anyone that intentionally ignores evidence to cling to a fairy tale (as atheists do) are not fit to be president, in my opinion.
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