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Old 10-15-2010, 08:57 AM
 
Location: PA
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I often wonder were the morals of society come from.
Religion does not belong in politics PERIOD!
You have your right to practice your religion but if your votes are set to control government for religious ideology our country is doomed. We don't need Christians and or Muslims telling us how to live our lives.

I have come to one conclusion people who are generally religious think they are GOD, want the power of GOD and think government is the tool to enforce that authority. Maybe they think God's has told them in the bible and or Koran they must change other people via force (Laws). The bible and Koran etc was written by MAN. GOD has not written a book and if he did write a book God did a ****ty job of getting our story straight.
Government should have no legal say in marriage, no legal say in PERSONAL social decisions unless they are causing harm to other individuals.

If you dont like what is on TV turn it OFF you can't control everyone or create channels for yourself.
stay out of politics stay out of peoples lives religious people are more interested in controling the world around them then anyone else, kill people over it and raise billions of dollars to spread the words of something that groups of people have made their own.
Churches and people who care about others should help others and I believe this to be a human message of free will. Getting government to regulate personal behaviors and or transforming it into a power struggle is not the role of this government.
If you want limit government vote based on limiting yourselves from any religious influence in government.
What you do at home and or in public is your right and no government has that right to remove it just as you have no right to impose it as long as it its not hurting others in the process.
Liberals have no power over your religion if you dont give government the power in the first place.
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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I often wonder were the morals of society come from.
Religion does not belong in politics PERIOD!
You have your right to practice your religion but if your votes are set to control government for religious ideology our country is doomed. We don't need Christians and or Muslims telling us how to live our lives.

I have come to one conclusion people who are generally religious think they are GOD, want the power of GOD and think government is the tool to enforce that authority. Maybe they think God's has told them in the bible and or Koran they must change other people via force (Laws). The bible and Koran etc was written by MAN. GOD has not written a book and if he did write a book God did a ****ty job of getting our story straight.
Government should have no legal say in marriage, no legal say in PERSONAL social decisions unless they are causing harm to other individuals.

If you dont like what is on TV turn it OFF you can't control everyone or create channels for yourself.
stay out of politics stay out of peoples lives religious people are more interested in controling the world around them then anyone else, kill people over it and raise billions of dollars to spread the words of something that groups of people have made their own.
Churches and people who care about others should help others and I believe this to be a human message of free will. Getting government to regulate personal behaviors and or transforming it into a power struggle is not the role of this government.
If you want limit government vote based on limiting yourselves from any religious influence in government.
What you do at home and or in public is your right and no government has that right to remove it just as you have no right to impose it as long as it its not hurting others in the process.
Liberals have no power over your religion if you dont give government the power in the first place.
You just don't get it, do you?

Religion affects every single area of my life. I think it's hypocritical to claim a religion, then put it on the shelf every day except Sunday morning.

Of course, it affects whom I vote for. Just like the liberal mindset affects every aspect of a socialist's life.
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: California
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You just don't get it, do you?

Religion affects every single area of my life. I think it's hypocritical to claim a religion, then put it on the shelf every day except Sunday morning.

Of course, it affects whom I vote for. Just like the liberal mindset affects every aspect of a socialist's life.
They don't get it at all, excellent post
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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I often wonder were the morals of society come from.
Religion does not belong in politics PERIOD!. . .

If you dont like what is on TV turn it OFF you can't control everyone or create channels for yourself. . . .
What you do at home and or in public is your right and no government has that right to remove it just as you have no right to impose it as long as it its not hurting others in the process.
Liberals have no power over your religion if you dont give government the power in the first place.
And I would like to know where you get your morals from? Is there anything that is completely set in stone in your value system? Do your values and ethics change over time (with the wind)? Is there anything absolutely out and out wrong to you?
Where do you get your ethics from? What guides you?

And I would say to you that if you don't like religion then turn it off, you can't control everyone. . .
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Old 10-15-2010, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Religion in politics is useful; it justifies (and excuses) the hate, intolerance, and bigotry.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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What did every Communist dictator strive to get rid of in his country?

Religion.

They believed the state should be your God and your salvation.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Religion in politics is useful; it justifies (and excuses) the hate, intolerance, and bigotry.

Well said.

The fundies seem to have this notion that they have the opinions they hold because "god" speaks to them. Therefor, anyone holding a contrary opinion is Satan's spawn and deserves not only to be defeated, but needs to be destroyed.

A very useful mindset in politics.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Here and There
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What did every Communist dictator strive to get rid of in his country?

Religion.

They believed the state should be your God and your salvation.
That may be so. However, Hitler was a Catholic (Christian), and I would say that didn't work out very well. I guess religion can be used for good (Mother Teresa) and bad (Hitler), either way, I just want it to stay the hell out of American politics.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Originally Posted by LibertyandJusticeforAll View Post
I often wonder were the morals of society come from.
Religion does not belong in politics PERIOD!
You have your right to practice your religion but if your votes are set to control government for religious ideology our country is doomed. We don't need Christians and or Muslims telling us how to live our lives.
So religious peopel shouldn't vote? They shouldn't try to elect peopel who share their common values? How is that different than a secular humanist trying to elect people who share his beliefs? Like Calvinist said, it is hypocritical to claim to be religious but not put your beliefs in to action.
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Old 10-15-2010, 10:15 AM
 
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Well said.

The fundies seem to have this notion that they have the opinions they hold because "god" speaks to them. Therefor, anyone holding a contrary opinion is Satan's spawn and deserves not only to be defeated, but needs to be destroyed.

A very useful mindset in politics.
The non-religious sure have their fair share of hatred and bigotry too....but they call it "tolerance". In that post-modern worldview, the only thing that is certain is that everyone has an equal right to say something...unless it disagrees with them.
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