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Old 10-23-2010, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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It is refreshing to see a union with some backbone stand up against a bully corporation and say HELL NO to huge cuts in their benefits! The company tried to bully the union by issuing threats to "move to Louisiana" and "move to Mexico" if the workers refused to take a 10% cut in pay, 3 days less in vacation and huge cuts in the medical and dental benefits. And the workers told them rightfully to go straight to hell. Sometimes you just got to put all the chips on the table and let the dice fall where they will.

Machinists Reject Hawker Beechcraft Offer

Oh, and the company is not LOSING money either:

The Kathryn Report: Hawker Beechcraft sales down, profit up in 2nd Quarter (http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2009/08/hawker-beechcraft-sales-down-profit-up.html - broken link)
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:25 AM
 
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You do realize that sales are down.... doesn't mean PROFIT... it means severe cuts that has ALREADY taken place to increase those profits... the unions reluctance to agree to further cuts and with lagging sales, well, you'll find a company in big trouble in the future... I understand people want to look at short term effects but why they choose to ignore long term consequences is bewildering... however the deal offered by the company is bad, that's the point of renegotiating...
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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Good for that union...but what are they going to tell their members when the layoffs start?
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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It is refreshing to see a union with some backbone stand up against a bully corporation and say HELL NO to huge cuts in their benefits! The company tried to bully the union by issuing threats to "move to Louisiana" and "move to Mexico" if the workers refused to take a 10% cut in pay, 3 days less in vacation and huge cuts in the medical and dental benefits. And the workers told them rightfully to go straight to hell. Sometimes you just got to put all the chips on the table and let the dice fall where they will.

Machinists Reject Hawker Beechcraft Offer

Oh, and the company is not LOSING money either:

The Kathryn Report: Hawker Beechcraft sales down, profit up in 2nd Quarter (http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2009/08/hawker-beechcraft-sales-down-profit-up.html - broken link)

Refreshing?

This is what unions have done since inception. Talk about bullies....the words union and bully are synonymous
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Good for that union...but what are they going to tell their members when the layoffs start?
The layoffs were going to happen anyway. The company had already said that it was going to lay off 800 union people and move the work to Mexico REGARDLESS of whether the union voted up or down. Then they said that if the union did not vote the way the company wanted- AND give up the remaining time on the current contract- that they would move the whole company to Louisiana. I guess they figure people who carry dead Possums in their lunch pails will work for nothing but I sure as hell would not get on an airplane built by them!
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:48 AM
 
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We agreed to cuts in pay and benefits cause it was the right thing to do. We don't even turn on the lights until noon. The company saved a half million on our power bill in 2009. Con Ed even came to see what we were doing and they were impressed but not happy. Employees are encouraged to make suggestions on ways to save money. We all saved jobs and the company is getting stronger.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:49 AM
 
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The layoffs were going to happen anyway. The company had already said that it was going to lay off 800 union people and move the work to Mexico REGARDLESS of whether the union voted up or down. Then they said that if the union did not vote the way the company wanted- AND give up the remaining time on the current contract- that they would move the whole company to Louisiana. I guess they figure people who carry dead Possums in their lunch pails will work for nothing but I sure as hell would not get on an airplane built by them!
But I thought you said profits were up?
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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You do realize that sales are down.... doesn't mean PROFIT... it means severe cuts that has ALREADY taken place to increase those profits... the unions reluctance to agree to further cuts and with lagging sales, well, you'll find a company in big trouble in the future... I understand people want to look at short term effects but why they choose to ignore long term consequences is bewildering... however the deal offered by the company is bad, that's the point of renegotiating...
That company has been there doing what it does for many decades. Good times and bad times they have always been there. The only difference is that for many decades the company was public and it was ran by the family who founded it (Walter and Ann Beech). It was locally owned and ran until it was sold by greedy heirs to an outfit called Raytheon. That is when all the trouble started.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:53 AM
 
Location: South East
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Refreshing?

This is what unions have done since inception. Talk about bullies....the words union and bully are synonymous
Agreed!! Unions are a big part of the problem with job loss today and have been for a long time.
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Old 10-23-2010, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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We agreed to cuts in pay and benefits cause it was the right thing to do. We don't even turn on the lights until noon. The company saved a half million on our power bill in 2009. Con Ed even came to see what we were doing and they were impressed but not happy. Employees are encouraged to make suggestions on ways to save money. We all saved jobs and the company is getting stronger.
I could save my company lots of money but they don't listen to us. They have an attitude of "you are paid to work and the boss is paid to think". So I just leave them alone and do my work.
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