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Old 10-23-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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They are still making a profit. Everybody probably has down profits except Wall Street thanks to the taxpayers. We are in a recession. But they are not losing money either. If this was GM or Delta a few years ago, I might be more sympathetic to the company point of view.
Lol, well you are quite the economist. Take a look at Apple, yes their growth ia anemic LMAO!!!! There are only hundreds of similar examples. By the way profitability is up at many companies despite lower revenues. How? Hint: look at the unemployment rage.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Unfortunately without shareholders you don't have the dough to run a company. Economics 101.

Sure moving to where labor costs are fair can make a move worthwhile.
The average worker there probably makes about $52,000 a year. That is not exactly "big money" if you have a family.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Lol, well you are quite the economist. Take a look at Apple, yes their growth ia anemic LMAO!!!! There are only hundreds of similar examples. By the way profitability is up at many companies despite lower revenues. How? Hint: look at the unemployment rage.
Apple is another greedy corporation. They have child sweat labour in the 3rd world make an Iphone for $4 and they sell it to you and me for $400.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:31 AM
 
Location: NW MT
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The average worker there probably makes about $52,000 a year. That is not exactly "big money" if you have a family.
That's right..... but it's a millionaires salary in other parts of the world. Welcome to the GLOBAL economy..... learn to compete or close up shop and go home !



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Apple is another greedy corporation. They have child sweat labour in the 3rd world make an Iphone for $4 and they sell it to you and me for $400.
Then don't buy one ! Simple solution.....
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Many unions work with management in the same way. These people who are painting all unions with the same brush stroke or with attitudes that the unions haven't evolved since 50 years ago are just plain wrong and ill informed.
It is not the union's role to "work with management". The whole idea of having a union is for it to have an adversarial role with management. That doesn't mean that you go around looking for a fight with the company everyday or that you should be unreasonable in your dealings with the company. It just means that you remember that, just like an attorney, the worker is your client and that is who you are there to represent. If the company can give me a good argument on why this should be done or that should be changed, I am more than willing to listen and to make changes that are beneficial to both the company and the employees. But you always have to remember that management is not there to represent the interest of employees. They are your enemy and you are their enemy and you have to approach things from that perspective.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Default Which American Corporations Are Less GREEDY and make More PROFIT?

OK I will start with this one: Southwest Airlines. A UNION airline, pays employees well, has decent benefits yet it tops in customer service, has decent fares and it is a profitable airline.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Good for that union...but what are they going to tell their members when the layoffs start?
exactly
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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It is not the union's role to "work with management". The whole idea of having a union is for it to have an adversarial role with management. That doesn't mean that you go around looking for a fight with the company everyday or that you should be unreasonable in your dealings with the company. It just means that you remember that, just like an attorney, the worker is your client and that is who you are there to represent. If the company can give me a good argument on why this should be done or that should be changed, I am more than willing to listen and to make changes that are beneficial to both the company and the employees. But you always have to remember that management is not there to represent the interest of employees. They are your enemy and you are their enemy and you have to approach things from that perspective.
I think her point (and mine) was that it isn't in the best interest of unions to be completely unreasonable, so they're not. That's a good thing. If something is good for both sides, then then it's in their best interest to support it, or to suggest changes themselves that make things run and work better. You're right though--they are ultimately there to represent the members, not management. That's why it's a negotiations process. Both sides have a place at the table, representing their side of the picture.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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OK I will start with this one: Southwest Airlines. A UNION airline, pays employees well, has decent benefits yet it tops in customer service, has decent fares and it is a profitable airline.
that same statement could have been said for Eastern, PanAm, etc


unions were a good thing long ago...but then they became greedy, and corupt

you think the corporations are bad..the unions are worse
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I agree, push back , or it would be better to be fired. If a corporation is going to cut bennies to almost resemble WallyWorld , may as well be fired and work at WallyWorld and draw Medicaid and Foodstamps. And they say it is Democrats that create entitlements

There you have it:

Why work when you can draw Medicaid and Foodstamps?

The mentality of an entitled welfare state....Liberalism 101
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