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Old 10-24-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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When you can start-up a company in SE Asia, and pay employees $2 a day with NO benefits, NO American labor (Union or non-Union) can compete.
This is why globalization is such a crock of $hit, for American workers.
Our own politicians, along with Wall Street, have conspired to economically ruin us, in the name of corporate profits that will NOT benefit the great majority of Americans.

Steve
exactly

and its from both parties, but pushed slightly more by the liberals...

carter/bush1/clinton/bush2/obama...all globalists

clinton and the democrat controlled congress passed/signed nafta and cafta...obama push (as a senator) OFTA , free trade with Oman ( a suadi nation....go figure that one)
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Old 10-24-2010, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When you can start-up a company in SE Asia, and pay employees $2 a day with NO benefits, NO American labor (Union or non-Union) can compete.
This is why globalization is such a crock of $hit, for American workers.
Our own politicians, along with Wall Street, have conspired to economically ruin us, in the name of corporate profits that will NOT benefit the great majority of Americans.

Steve
Yup, corporations will just lurch from one cheap labor country to the next. They are opening plants in slave states like China, but even those state workers will be too expensive soon.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:47 PM
 
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The labor costs don't matter in manufacturing! Are irrelevant!
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:59 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Just close the doors and hire some people who want to work instead of smoking dope and drinking at lunchtime.

Are you against a business making money?

What is it with liberals who believe a worker should show up for work and get paid and not allow the company to make any profits?

Let them all go. I am sure with the state of the country under the dems control we can find a few million people who would love to take their jobs and over paid salaries and benefits.

Fire each and every one of the idiots.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The labor costs don't matter in manufacturing! Are irrelevant!
labor costs are irrelevant???

are taxes also irrelevant???

what about untility costs are they irrelevant???

what about property costs are they irrelevant??? you know in this county you can get a 20,000 sf warehouse for 10k a month, but in this county you can get a 40,000 sf warehouse for 7k



businesses(as far as factories and warehouses) are going to look at were the property , taxes, utilities and labor are the cheapest....factories and warehouses dont worry about location location location,,that would be the retail stores
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:20 AM
 
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Yes, Raytheon is "trouble." I witnessed much corruption from inside Raytheon's corporate offices. Sorry they shattered your company.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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When your company is sold to the conglomerate it is time to leave. Once trhe pointy hair managers take over it is the start of the end. The comment about workers work and managers think is the main reason for failing companies. This class seperation is more important than survival to managerial phonies protecting their positions. The only reason manager's offices are carpeted is to cushion their fall.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Easy... Close the business and reopen under a new DBA.

No more Union in the business. Problem solved.


A corporation has no say in union benefits, to cut them or not.
That is all union controlled paid by union dues.




I can't afford it, so I'm shutting my doors. Effective today this place is out of business. Go to your union hall and pound sand!
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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That company has been there doing what it does for many decades. Good times and bad times they have always been there. The only difference is that for many decades the company was public and it was ran by the family who founded it (Walter and Ann Beech). It was locally owned and ran until it was sold by greedy heirs to an outfit called Raytheon. That is when all the trouble started.
I can tell you know little about economics or business. What they will wind up doing is cutting back in the number of employees, no doubt. Who knows. They may even fold.

That woud all serve the union thugs right. They are arrogant imbeciles that don't understand that all must share in the downturn in business. That's the way it works.
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:18 PM
 
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It is refreshing to see a union with some backbone stand up against a bully corporation and say HELL NO to huge cuts in their benefits! The company tried to bully the union by issuing threats to "move to Louisiana" and "move to Mexico" if the workers refused to take a 10% cut in pay, 3 days less in vacation and huge cuts in the medical and dental benefits. And the workers told them rightfully to go straight to hell. Sometimes you just got to put all the chips on the table and let the dice fall where they will.

Machinists Reject Hawker Beechcraft Offer

Oh, and the company is not LOSING money either:

The Kathryn Report: Hawker Beechcraft sales down, profit up in 2nd Quarter (http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2009/08/hawker-beechcraft-sales-down-profit-up.html - broken link)
Aren't you one of those always crying about outsoursing?

Where will the remaining employees be when the entire operation is shut down and those staunch union people have no jobs.
?
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