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Minimum wage should be repealed so the poor could have jobs. A minimum wage just means that people who are worth less than that minimum wage are, by law, forbidden to have a job.
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Why not have a livable wage?
Livable is just another word for minimum wage and only makes it more debatable so you can assume that there will be a lot of lobbying about the definition of livable.
And as mentioned earlier. Many times. Minimum wage drives prices up and businesses away to other shores.
Repeal the minimum wage and never ever talk about "livable" wage.
So the poor should just die? We shouldn't pay a livable wage because of this scenario that hardly ever happens? The birthrate of the poor is not 6 children. The average family size is about the same as the national average. In fact, only 5.8% of families were under the poverty level whereas 19.1% of single people were. 26.6% of single parent households were in poverty.
For welfare recipients, 73% of them had two or fewer children this is versus 79% for the total nation. Thus, family size is only slightly larger.
Why not have a livable wage?
You first.
Start a business and pay people more that the value of their labor. See how long your business will last
For instance, the going rate for shoveling snow from a sidewalk is about $10. For doing a driveway, $25. Will you pay double? Do you pay double?
What about tipping in a restaurant? I tip about 20%. What do you tip?
As far as poor children, with all of the programs out there, no child should ever go hungry.
The reason they are hungry is due to their parents being too stupid or too lazy to sign them up for the programs that exist.
So you had a house, assuming some savings, credit cards, a brother that helped out...most of these things (esp. owning property) is out of the reach of the poor. If worse got to worse, you could have sold your house for money. You could have tapped into credit cards at a reduced rate than a poorer person. You could have asked your brother more.
Your story is good in illustrating how being middle class during a recession is better than being poor.
I was a single dad. Didn't have much in the way of savings, enough to hold out for a few months, and had a single credit card, for emergency use only. If you are smart, you don't use something knowing you can't pay for it when the bill comes due, whether or not the interest on it is low OR high.
Sold the house? That's would really been silly, because RENT would have cost more than the mortgage payment. Not only that, until the house sold/closed and I had money, how was I supposed to come up with rent/security deposit and move all our belongings. (I probably failed to mention, I can't carry anything as my ankles and knees are messed up, allowing me to only walk for short distances, and cannot carry anything over 10-20 lbs).
So, your suggestion I could sell the house, and place myself in a worse position than i was in, not being able to afford to sign up and rent a place, because there is no way I could have first/last month and security deposit handy, and have to hire someone, (something else I couldn't afford) to move our belongings, is inane.
As for asking my brother, yes, I could have. Just like any other person, can ask the government, ask their local church/synagogue, or other charity for assistance. This is America, where in most cases, we are the most charitable people in the world. There are MANY differing charitable organizations waiting to help.
On the other hand, I have to set an example for my children. What a sad example it is for them to see that when things are tough, that you should expect someone else to provide for you. When i was military, I learned to lead by example. You never ask your subordinates to to something you wouldn't do yourself. You Expect them to be what you show them to be. My kids learned the same way. I didn't ask them to do dishes/vacuum floors etc, without my having done so also. In that way, I set the example. When things got tough, I set the example. I showed them we didn't need government assistance, we didn't need charity, that it's ok to ask family for help, but above all, you do what you have to do.
You don't spend money needlessly, and you are capable of doing what needs to be done, if you put your mind to it.
Minimum wage should be repealed so the poor could have jobs. A minimum wage just means that people who are worth less than that minimum wage are, by law, forbidden to have a job.
Livable is just another word for minimum wage and only makes it more debatable so you can assume that there will be a lot of lobbying about the definition of livable.
And as mentioned earlier. Many times. Minimum wage drives prices up and businesses away to other shores.
Repeal the minimum wage and never ever talk about "livable" wage.
Don't forget about getting rid of the antiquated child labor laws.
No he wasn't poor. He owned a house. He also had a brother that helped him. He also had a middle income job prior. Please read the posts before commenting.
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I was broke, my brother helped out once, as I was so desperate I asked for help, (Something that most people with family can do).
I was lucky that I had bought a very inexpensive townhome, and my mortgage was lower than most people's rent.
It also notes, I had 2 children with daily medicine needs, Dr visits every 2 months for them, that I had to pay for. (Not to mention a deadbeat "X").
So, while I wasn't the poorest of the poor, I was nowhere near rich, neither was I making nowhere near minimum wage full time employment. and this was in 2004/2005. Since I cannot stand for any length of time, due to a permanent disabling injury, I couldn't work at a fast food joint, or would have gladly done so.
Minimum wage should be repealed so the poor could have jobs. A minimum wage just means that people who are worth less than that minimum wage are, by law, forbidden to have a job.
Livable is just another word for minimum wage and only makes it more debatable so you can assume that there will be a lot of lobbying about the definition of livable.
And as mentioned earlier. Many times. Minimum wage drives prices up and businesses away to other shores.
Repeal the minimum wage and never ever talk about "livable" wage.
To be honest I'm embarrassed that this debate is even on here. It's shows a level of ignorance that is astounding.
Min. wages allow jobs for the poor to be paid at a min. level. That's all. I propose that the level be increased as to be, I don't know, above poverty.
Min wage doesn't drive businesses away. Unadulterated greed does. The tip top percentage of wage earners have seen their wages go up faster than anyone while the poor have seen their wages decrease. Min. wage increased slowed this decrease. So in effect, the poor have gotten poorer. The richer have gotten greedier. The rich would still move their businesses offshore without min wage increases. Thus the poor would just be even poorer.
So to sum it up, the min. wage doesn't drive businesses offshore, it's greed. They would leave regardless of a min wage or not to pay even less.
I was broke, my brother helped out once, as I was so desperate I asked for help, (Something that most people with family can do).
I was lucky that I had bought a very inexpensive townhome, and my mortgage was lower than most people's rent.
It also notes, I had 2 children with daily medicine needs, Dr visits every 2 months for them, that I had to pay for. (Not to mention a deadbeat "X").
So, while I wasn't the poorest of the poor, I was nowhere near rich, neither was I making nowhere near minimum wage full time employment. and this was in 2004/2005. Since I cannot stand for any length of time, due to a permanent disabling injury, I couldn't work at a fast food joint, or would have gladly done so.
So you were middle class. Congrats. You can't really talk about personal experiences about being poor. You had more options than many. Even though you were not rich, you def. were richer than those that never had the ability to afford a down payment on a home or ever had a middle income job.
1) There is an education gap associated with the income gap. Public schools in poorer communities are worse than in richer communities. Not to mention the cost of university is too high and actually prevents poor students from attending.
2) We are humans. People will have sex. The best thing to do is to try to eliminate the wealth gap so that people can have an education and thus better job prospects so they can afford the children.
life is about choices one makes if you chose to have unprotected sex you get children,as for the education gap that is a choice too.
I had no rich parents to pay for my education,so I chose to work and pay my way myself, was it hard?.....yes...did it take a long time?....yes.....did I wait to have children till I could afford them?..... yes, did I live within my means ?....yes
CHOICES!!
people chose to be in the lower gap and cry for the govt to take care of them
my advice is teach your children to make the right choices!
Increase the cost of labor and it chnages mnay thigns. Its ne reason that robotics became more feasable. Change any cost structure and you increase price or their is other adjustemnts made like use less labor. Labor i most products is 70% of cost.
To be honest I'm embarrassed that this debate is even on here. It's shows a level of ignorance that is astounding.
Min. wages allow jobs for the poor to be paid at a min. level. That's all. I propose that the level be increased as to be, I don't know, above poverty.
Min wage doesn't drive businesses away. Unadulterated greed does. The tip top percentage of wage earners have seen their wages go up faster than anyone while the poor have seen their wages decrease. Min. wage increased slowed this decrease. So in effect, the poor have gotten poorer. The richer have gotten greedier. The rich would still move their businesses offshore without min wage increases. Thus the poor would just be even poorer.
So to sum it up, the min. wage doesn't drive businesses offshore, it's greed. They would leave regardless of a min wage or not to pay even less.
That's because people in the top tiers are smarter, work harder, sacrifice more and take risk.
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