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Old 11-06-2010, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Insurance companies: Allowing all insurance companies to sell policies in any state results in two things:

1. It totally fails to contain costs, leaving that up to insurance company bean counters who will make decisions about your health care based upon company profitabilty with no restraints.

2. It tilts the playing field towad those huge companies who have the resources to drive their smaller competitors completely out of business. Once the competition is gone, prices WILL rise. You can count on it.

In other words, it hands even more power to giant corporations which, for anyone who knows the Republican Party, will come as no surprise.

Get the government completely out of health care: Sounds good, doesn't it? But, that includes Medicare and Medicade, which are government funded.

Still onboard with all of that?
So you say that if companies are allowed to compete across state lines that smaller companies will go out of business? LOLs. Please name one monopoly in this country? You can't. But it's gonna happen with health insurance? LOLs.

Blame the democrats for handing more power to the giant corporations. They are the ones that passed the thing. Not republicans.

Did you know the government currently pays med schools to turn away students? For example: State U. is willing to accept and can educate 50 perfectly qualified med students a year. But they only take 20 and reject 30. The feds then pay the tution for the 30 students that were rejected.

This supresses the number of doctors in the United States and artificially drives up costs. And the Universities love it because they get the same amount of money and they don't have to hassle with educating them.

But you want the exact people that knowingly and willingly drive up costs above true market value to fix the system?

You people are unbelievable.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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There are doctors that will not accept any type of insurance. Government or private. They cut costs by 80%.

Would you be able to afford care if it were 80% cheaper?
One of the many goals of the legislation was to fund medicare clinics. Those are being set nationwide with state funding which was returned to states by this law. In addition, doctors will receive increased reimubursment. By 2014 doctors must accept patients who come for care and manage their care under the new guidelines....works for kids also.

Why don't you do a bit of research before you spew this garbage?
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Who are these "blue dogs"? If any are left after Tuesday, cannot be more than a few. Take my word- Obamacare is here to stay. It is not going to be repealed nor will it be defunded.

There are more "blue dogs" now than before Kev. And, I have to disagree - Obamacare will go away.

Now, will there be a healthcare bill? Yes, IMO there will be. But, not the MANDATED one in place you see now. The MANDATES will go away - count on it.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So you say that if companies are allowed to compete across state lines that smaller companies will go out of business? LOLs. Please name one monopoly in this country? You can't. But it's gonna happen with health insurance? LOLs.

Blame the democrats for handing more power to the giant corporations. They are the ones that passed the thing. Not republicans.

Did you know the government currently pays med schools to turn away students? For example: State U. is willing to accept and can educate 50 perfectly qualified med students a year. But they only take 20 and reject 30. The feds then pay the tution for the 30 students that were rejected.

This supresses the number of doctors in the United States and artificially drives up costs. And the Universities love it because they get the same amount of money and they don't have to hassle with educating them.

But you want the exact people that knowingly and willingly drive up costs above true market value to fix the system?

You people are unbelievable.
Please provide a link for that.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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I would certainly like to see a link on that. 80% is kind of hard to believe. Do these docs also cut their fees by 80%?
There is one in Greeneville, Tennessee that did. He has 8,000 patients.

Some in Nashville have done the same thing. Same result. Reduced costs.

It only makes sense. The more people you have involved in a process (govt and insurance cos.) the more expensive the process is going to be.

Eliminate all the middle-men and you have docotr and patient left. That's the cheapest way to do it.

Then people could go and get insurance for things like accidents or catstrophic disease.

We don't have health insurance in this country now. What we have is a bunch of free-loaders in this country that want to send an insurance company 20 bucks a month and then expect them to pay for every little visit to the doctor. That aint insurance. It's theft.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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One of the many goals of the legislation was to fund medicare clinics. Those are being set nationwide with state funding which was returned to states by this law. In addition, doctors will receive increased reimubursment. By 2014 doctors must accept patients who come for care and manage their care under the new guidelines....works for kids also.

Why don't you do a bit of research before you spew this garbage?
I'm talking about now. Not 2014.

Why don't you read my post and stop spewing garbage.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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You can remove the mandate. But only if it is replaced by the following law:

1. No person may appear at an ER or health point of access who is not insured or has cash on hand before any treatments are given

2. No ER or physician may treat any such uninsured persons unless they undertake the total expense of such treatment. They may not spread the cost of such treatment out over other paying and insured patients. The entire cost must be bore by them.

The reason this will not happen is simple- Americans cannot stomach the thought of hospitals leaving patients literally at the door of the ER to die. Imagine the outcry when the local TV station shows somebody laying outside the ER bleeding to death and doctors walking around him to the door. Hell, many Americans were upset by that rural fire department that let the man's house burn because he didn't pay his annual fire protection dues!
That is why the mandate is there.
The law which created the mandate to treat in a medical emergency was created after an African American woman died after being refused care at an ER. Those laws are in every ER in the nation on the wall.

Only insurance risk spread amongst all citizens will prevent the losses our hospitals currently experience. If you don't want insurance but also want to be cared for you best read up. It's called being a responsible citizen.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Please provide a link for that.
Read about it in a book by Larry Elder 15 years ago. It was called "Ten Things You Can't Say in America."

Never looked up a link. I'm sure there is one out there.

It's a matter of pubic policy. It's gotta be in some appropriations bill.
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Read about it in a book by Larry Elder 15 years ago. It was called "Ten Things You Can't Say in America."

Never looked up a link. I'm sure there is one out there.

It's a matter of pubic policy. It's gotta be in some appropriations bill.
He's a radio talk show Libertarian nut. That would be pretty much like listening to Beck as an authority on anything. Woops, I guess you do that.

http://oneutah.org/2010/08/28/larry-...simple-minded/

and then we have

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/elder10.php
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Old 11-06-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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3. Its not going anywhere because Republicans don't want to have the people from groups one and two paraded on national TV making them look like heartless bigots.
In a nutshell. Sarah Palin had to invent a hypothetical to sell her Death Panel BS. Repealing the health care bill as is would have real people, on screen, who'd die.
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