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What was going to happen all along.....the GOP with "change" the HC bill just enough to claim it, and claim victory for it
The problem is, Obama signed the bill into Law. No matter what happens to the content of the Law as it goes forward, it is still going to be a Democratic Party Law. A lot, if not most, Repubs cannot deal with that reality. That has been what is at issue the the Health Care Reform from the very beginning, many, many years ago.
their first, and ONLY priority is still Barack Obama, not you, not the Tea Party agenda and certainly not anything which will harm their corporate buddies.
I am perfectly fine with that. They can spend the next two years going after the village idiot. Once we get to the next voting cycle we can get the Senate in order and well.. you know the rest from there..
As far as the corporate buddies.. Well, that's were millions and millions of jobs come from so sure, let's take care of them eh?
Yes .. by removing anything that smacks of "mandate" ..
I don't know about that. It was the Republicans that were first for individual mandates. In modern times, Nixon and Geo Bush I, called for them. It's not the mandate that is at issue, get thru your head, it's who signed the Law. The same issue is at play in Immigration Reform.
Since the Health care deliberations and negotiations were never broadcast on C-span as promised during the 2008 campaign and the American people never included in the discussion, will Speaker Boehner have the sense to avoid the same mistake when fighting to repeal it by taking this debate directly to the people via C-span and include the citizens in any new health care decisions?
Bust out that popcorn kids!
This is going to be a good one!
If the Republicans really want to WASTE time trying that, let them try. If it makes it out of the House (which is a big if), it will be DOA in the Senate. And even if they had the Senate and scrapped the Filibuster rule to repeal it, as soon as it hit Obama's desk, he would say VETO. The Republicans know this too. They just think that Republican voters are stupid- and sadly they are right for the most part.
My question is, why didn't you have insurance before you got colon cancer?
That is an assumption that is not necessarily true. The HIPPA law is screwy. If you have insurance when you get cancer, and then don't have it for a while, that's when you get in trouble with the pre-existing condition stuff. Don't blame the cancer patient.
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This past Tuesday, the citizens of the State of Arizona passed (by a wide margin) a referendum that states we, in Arizona, do NOT have to accept any Federal Healthcare bill. We can make our own decisions about OUR healthcare.
From what I have read, people will say they want HCR repealed, but when you ask them about individual parts of it, such as ending lfetime maximums, allowing kids with pre-existing conditions to be insured, and others, the "mandate" is not there.
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They may support repeal, but it will never come up for a vote in Reid's Senate.
Dead on arrival. Obamacare is here to stay. That battle is already over. Reminds me of the silly Republicans that came out and swore to overturn Roe vs Wade. That was in 1973. Still the law of the land. This will be too.
Why would they want to overturn it anyway? It's essentially the same bill the GOP proposed back in the 90's. This is just a show for their gullible base who are clueless as usual.
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The healthcare bill isn't going anywhere.
1. Its not going anywhere because it granted insurance instantly to kids between 18 and 26, that didn't have it before. Their parents, and those kids would never vote Republican again.
2. Its not going away because its already extended benefits to people who would have lost them due to "pre-existing conditions", and they and their families would never vote Republican again.
3. Its not going anywhere because Republicans don't want to have the people from groups one and two paraded on national TV making them look like heartless bigots.
So, repeal is off the table. Republicans should quit talking about it, people on this board should quit talking about it, its a stupid political Charlie Brown football. Just like repealing social security and medicare, it will not happen.
So what can we do? We can, and I know this is a bad word to Republicans
R E F O R M
Thats right, reform the current bill. Take out the mandate, but put in something that would require those who don't have insurance, or refuse to buy it, to pay cash before going to the ER. Put TORT reform in there, it won't help costs, but its one less thing for people to ***** about. Create some kind of co-op that people can elect to buy into, make them know up front that government healthcare isn't the healthcare that everyone else gets. It'll be rationed, it'll be the minimum of care needed, and employers won't be cancelling their plans to force their employees off on it.
Lots of reform and compromise that can be made to the current bill. But repeal is a stupid idea, and has no possibility of moving forward.
That sounds more reasonable. I doubt that the Republicans will be reasonable but, as a LIBERAL, I could certainly sit down and talk about all the things you pointed out here.
Republicans now control the House. They (the Republicans) can simply refuse to fund the Health-care bill - and all funding / money bills start in the House of Representatives.
By doing so, the Republicans can effectively gut Obamacare and make it totally none-effective.
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