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Old 11-16-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Many people feel enslaved to their professions. That does not make them 'slaves'.

I have known people who worked in cubicles and felt enslaved. I have encouraged them to leave those professions. To break their imaginary 'chains'.

The only profession I have seen that truly degrades the soul is lawyers.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:03 PM
 
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You seem to have a mental image of prostitution in which all of the women are miserable slaves. This is true for some, but not for all. But most importantly, for those who are miserable slaves, most of their misery/slavery is due to the fact that prostitution is illegal. If these same women were protected by the legal system (rather than persecuted by the legal system), most of them would be have higher than average incomes, and most would not be miserable at all.

You assume that their work automatically degrades them, but this is just your assumption. What is this assumption base on? Have you studied sociological data? Do you personally know a lot of prostitutes? My guess is that you are uncritically accepting the general social attitudes and popular media images. My suggestion: Set aside your unfounded assumptions and do some research with a open mind.

Just because you think their work is degrading, does not mean that they think their work is degrading. For the most part, the people who pay for sex do not oppress the prostitutes. But you oppress them by perpetuating the social attitudes and laws that make their work far more difficult and dangerous than it would otherwise have to be.



My conclusions are based on research and logical argumentation. Everything you've said in this post suggests that your assumptions are based on the uncritical biases, fears, and presumptions of popular culture. I think it is you who needs to wake up and take a critical look at reality.

Here are some links that might help you to see thing differently, if you are willing to look:

PENet: Prostitution Issues: Statistics

Sex Worker Rights: Prostitutes Education Network

Sex Worker Rights Are Human Rights | Sex & Relationships | AlterNet

Sacred sex and temple prostitutes: from ancient myths to modern realities - Cleveland Open relationships | Examiner.com

Star Whores: return of the courtesan? - Cleveland Open relationships | Examiner.com
My opinion of the employment of prostitution is very simple. As well the
self opinion of a prostitute is relative to her "ego" It is a transitory implanted system in order to facilitate self worth. To explain:

The "reason why" the family unit is considered to be a logical foundation to a healthy society is back boned by the emotional needs of a human being.
People are only human and need stability, belonging,loyalty, trueness in their lives. All of us. Were born that way. The family unit provides for the collective social and emotional vitality of a society.

The direct and abject neglect of this feature in ourselves , is not in keeping with the responsibility each of us have in contribution to ourselves and others.

The depreciation of self worth, finances, or both create a initiative of despair. A desperation, ironically that befits the customer ! More over the
aspects of self worth and financial expectancy are....relative to each individuals peculiar understanding. This is key, in a realistic overview of the prostitutes general perception and expectations from...life.

Self worth , in spite of engagement in an abject and destructive contribution to society is paramount in our lives. We cannot exist without ego. We also cannot "believe" everything a person says. In this light I find that there may be a dash of naivety in post forwarded.

The foundation of a society in forward gear is the family unit. Prostitution, the indiscriminate activity of sex on a dime injects interference in , normal expectations of a society attempting to go forward.

The self justification of a Drug addict , in quest of fix is no more impressive. Is it ? .... Interview after Interview.

In all and I believe to be most critical, if a person is standing on a skyscraper, do we want to get with the crowd and holler.....

Jump...Jump. Jump you imbecile, the sadness for the day is not mine, for it is yours . .....Or
We could use are naturally caring wholeness go up and , advise that things
may get better, and I am here for U right now.

So, what kind of Country is comfortable for people ? What kind of personality is comfortable for a person.?

Obviously, as outlined above the "human being" has a collection of very pointed needs. Stability, loyalty, belonging, fulfillment in the mutually defined promise of another.

Yes, I'm afraid that my assumptions are gathered , not on fear but on
hope. Hope that society can continue in the focus of true liberty in
all.
Further, a system of law and order, can only be as concentrated as funds allow. If funds did not allow and prostitution was ramped, everyone would be crying the blues to do something about it. Point being, the position in deterrence should be appreciated , not complained about.

Naivety is the framework of "stunted growth" out of a relaxed and prosperous society.
I find any digestion of "hey I'm great" by a person living in an abnormal lifestyle to be extremely, naive.

Through this issue, and many others, including the naivety of immigration
a highly downward slope in all is not without reason or understanding.

In, short an overall system of attitude, respect for life, including the fundamentals of liberty has shown to work. It works well. Now , I suppose its time to wreck it.

Thats fine, I think the ones hollering jump should
understand that , courage in caring , an "intended attribute" of liberty is completely out of the picture.

Prostitution is a reflection of the impact , degradation has on human life. Its fruits lie in further degradation. Is it a prostitutes fault ...of course not..Its everybody's fault . Life is not perfect

Why promote prostitution ? Any argument would deny the rudiments of wholeness in the intimacy required, by each of us.

People are only people. You cannot convert a person into a machine. This is hardly progress, besides, I don't see any progress going on at all. The social temperament in the togetherness of a healthy relationship is devastatingly insecure. I wonder why ? Do people like it this way.......No, its a drag because we have are intrinsic needs. So does society.
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Last edited by ClearNight; 11-16-2010 at 08:39 PM.. Reason: It was double posted somehow
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Old 11-19-2010, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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I find any digestion of "hey I'm great" by a person living in an abnormal lifestyle to be extremely, naive.
You appear to be claiming the right to define, for everyone, what is "normal" and what is "abnormal." If you could support you concept of "normal" with scientific evidence and/or logical argumentation, I might be willing to accept your idea of "normal," but so far I've seen no evidence that you can do either.

But even if I did accept your concept of "normal," it still would not follow that there is anything actually wrong with be "abnormal." Why can't a person in an "abnormal lifestyle" be a healthy, happy, compassionate, loving, productive citizen?" Virtually every great figure in human history was "abnormal" in many respects.

One of my favorite quotes is one from MLK who said: "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted."

Perhaps you do not realize that the key to biological success is diversity. Also, the key to a healthy society is diversity. This is a foundational concept for individual liberty, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and so on.
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Old 11-19-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The "reason why" the family unit is considered to be a logical foundation to a healthy society is back boned by the emotional needs of a human being.
People are only human and need stability, belonging,loyalty, trueness in their lives. All of us. Were born that way. The family unit provides for the collective social and emotional vitality of a society.
Alexis de Tocqueville, in "Democracy In America" (when discussing the prevalence of prostitution in US port cities), stated that prostitution is far less of a threat to the family than intrigues involving "respectable" women.

St. Augustine justified prostitution by saying that it was a necessary evil given men's natures. Countless students of human nature ever since would have agreed with him.

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The foundation of a society in forward gear is the family unit. Prostitution, the indiscriminate activity of sex on a dime injects interference in , normal expectations of a society attempting to go forward.
So, would you prefer "temporary marriages" like the Shiites have?

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Further, a system of law and order, can only be as concentrated as funds allow. If funds did not allow and prostitution was ramped, everyone would be crying the blues to do something about it.
Only Marxists and religious whackos.

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In, short an overall system of attitude, respect for life, including the fundamentals of liberty has shown to work. It works well. Now , I suppose its time to wreck it.
So you'd rather have more marriages broken and more families broken?

(BTW, I wonder how you'd feel if the New York Court of Appeals had ruled the other way in Cherry v. Koch?)

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Prostitution is a reflection of the impact , degradation has on human life. Its fruits lie in further degradation. Is it a prostitutes fault ...of course not..Its everybody's fault . Life is not perfect

Why promote prostitution ? Any argument would deny the rudiments of wholeness in the intimacy required, by each of us.

People are only people. You cannot convert a person into a machine. This is hardly progress, besides, I don't see any progress going on at all. The social temperament in the togetherness of a healthy relationship is devastatingly insecure. I wonder why ? Do people like it this way.......No, its a drag because we have are intrinsic needs. So does society.
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You sound like Karl Marx. I'm expecting a rant on why capitalism should be outlawed from you next.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:25 AM
 
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Virtual prostitution is legal and doesn't carry any of the dangers or social stigma attached to real prostitution. What's illegal is the sale of direct sexual contact, for disease control purposes. Perhaps using a wireless sex toy can help break the illegal barrier.
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Old 02-08-2011, 02:41 AM
 
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So, I'm curious to know if anyone would like to go against the grain and offer a truly rational argument against prostitution. In other words, you would have to rationally justify why consensual, private, non-violent activity between adults should be illegal. Any takers?
It's immoral and a sin. Fornication. There I am out on the limb, which I'm sure many of you will hasten to saw off.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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It's immoral and a sin. Fornication. There I am out on the limb, which I'm sure many of you will hasten to saw off.
Happy to oblige...That is not a rational explanation. You may consider it immoral and sinful, but that is what your religion has programmed you to believe....Many of us including myself believe otherwise as long as the participants are consenting adults. Fornication is fun and prostitution is legal where I live. http://www.classchoiceescorts.com/
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Aside from keeping the prison industry healthy with more inmates, and appeasing social conservatives. Is there any really good reason to outlaw prostitution?
Authoritarians are about social control.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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The main reason for outlawing prostitution is that politicians don't want competition, especially since they got there first.
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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It's immoral and a sin. Fornication. There I am out on the limb, which I'm sure many of you will hasten to saw off.
This might be a rational argument, if you could give rational reasons for thinking that fornication is immoral, and rational reasons for thinking that your judgment of immorality is better than the contrary judgments of others. So let's start here: Why do you think fornication is immoral?
(And, I should add, you will eventually have to argue that the immorality of something should lead us to make it illegal.)
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