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Not exactly. The GOP can filibuster a bill if the Dems have a majority of both. If Nelson voted for it and Collins and Snowe did not, it would be a what? Oh yeah same thing a filibuster....
Other than for four months the Democrats have needed at least one Republican vote to get passed a filibuster. Even if Ben Nelson voted with the Dems on every single bill, they would have still needed at least one GOP vote.
Wrong again.. The minute they "voted" for it, its no longer a filibuster. A filibuster is if a VOTE NOT TAKING PLACE..
You are calling failed bills "filibusters" but thats not what they are..
Wrong. A filibuster is blocking an up or down vote from taking place by not invoking cloture. That is EXACTLY what happened.
Lets review your statement shall we?
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Originally Posted by Smash255
Not exactly. The GOP can filibuster a bill if the Dems have a majority of both. If Nelson voted for it and Collins and Snowe did not, it would be a what? Oh yeah same thing a filibuster....
Other than for four months the Democrats have needed at least one Republican vote to get passed a filibuster. Even if Ben Nelson voted with the Dems on every single bill, they would have still needed at least one GOP vote.
Thats not a filibuster. They didnt BLOCK the vote, they just voted NO...
Listening to KGO, in the SF Bay Area. It has very liberal slant to it and obviously most of the people in this are are liberal/democrats. Not a single caller has stood up for Obama. Every one has said they will not vote for him again (they will) and all have said he, "Needs to a grow a pair."
No revolt from me. I understand that the country leans to the right, and I believe Obama understands this too. The compromise was pragmatic and shrewd.
Voting no on invoking cloture is a filibuster. It is blocking an up or down vote.
Voting no on cloture U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Glossary > cloture cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.
Is a Limit of THIRTY HOURS ADDITIONAL hours.. It doesnt stop the bill from moving forward.
No revolt from me. I understand that the country leans to the right, and I believe Obama understands this too. The compromise was pragmatic and shrewd.
I do think Obama caved, but I agree it was a pragmatic move. The Republicans were willing to let the tax cuts expire for the bottom 98% if they didn't get what they wanted. Obama wasn't willing to let the tax cuts expire for the bottom 98% if he didn't get what he wanted. That really is what this boils down to.
Voting no on cloture U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Glossary > cloture cloture - The only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on consideration of a bill or other matter, and thereby overcome a filibuster. Under the cloture rule (Rule XXII), the Senate may limit consideration of a pending matter to 30 additional hours, but only by vote of three-fifths of the full Senate, normally 60 votes.
Is a Limit of THIRTY HOURS ADDITIONAL hours.. It doesnt stop the bill from moving forward.
Did you even read the part at the end (I bolded it for you)
I do think Obama caved, but I agree it was a pragmatic move. The Republicans were willing to let the tax cuts expire for the bottom 98% if they didn't get what they wanted. Obama wasn't willing to let the tax cuts expire for the bottom 98% if he didn't get what he wanted. That really is what this boils down to.
The Republicans are the ones who look greedy in this battle. President Obama did what he needed to do for the sake of the many Americans who are NOT in the top 2% of income earners.
Republican greed is once again on full display.
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