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so obviously you talk out of both sides of your mouth and not truly pro life at all. you have no trouble with a woman gambling with her life in a back alley abortion, sounds like punishment for being sexual to me, having nothing really to do with the baby she would be aborting.
with all the people in the world, do you feel you represent womenhood in any way ..what so ever....?
a normal healthy girl ...looks forward to having a baby. Thats a fact in
a forward society.
So wrong ...
Most forward looking societies are having fewer children.
A great many people are considerate of not only of themselves and their limitations, but the planet as well.
Originally Posted by hothulamaui so obviously you talk out of both sides of your mouth and not truly pro life at all. you have no trouble with a woman gambling with her life in a back alley abortion, sounds like punishment for being sexual to me, having nothing really to do with the baby she would be aborting.
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Originally Posted by ray1945
Aaah, the problem reduced to its essence.
Exactly. That's what all the anti-choice/anti-freedom/anti-woman people have shown throughout the thread...
I have proved it by the fact that they think an abortion is "murder" but then turn right around and say, "but it's OK in the case of rape or incest"....that PROVES it's a control/punishment issue.
Although one poster did see how illogical and stupid that position was so changed....but not for the better
The whole premise of this discussion is that if a woman willingly has sex but chooses to get an abortion, that is not he responsible thing to do. While I don't believe in any abortion for any reason, the vast majority of abortions are those who could have prevented a pregnancy from occurring in the first place. Therefore, they need to take responsibility for their actions and give the child up for adoption if they cannot care for it. Abortion should never be a viable option. I don't care what her life history is, there is no reason that could justify an abortion.
A woman who chooses abortion is being responsible. She is dealing with the consequences of her actions in a way that best suits her circumstances and her belief system. No one - NO ONE - can force a woman to become a breeder for childless couples. Have you read The Handmaid's Tale?
Abortion terminates a pregnancy, it does not kill a child. Eating a sunflower seed is not the same as eating a 4 ft sunflower.
Re the bolded portion: 'Believe' is the key word here. You BELIEVE and are free to live by your beliefs. Just as I and everyone else are free to live by ours.
parasite - an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
A baby is not a parasite. My children clean up around the house, provide me endless pleasure and will hopefully take care of me in my old age and keep my name going. No hookworm is going to do that.
And they did all that before they were even delivered?
Ughhhh is right. Did you somehow miss the parts throughout the thread that say these "idiots" should give the child up for adoption?
Adoption, you say?
Let's get real for a moment. This isn't complicated. Even idiots love their own flesh and blood, which explains why the overwhelming majority of babies born to women who have no business getting preggo in the first place don't give their children up for adoption.
If abortion is outlawed, the overwhelming majority of these people will STILL keep the baby. Adoption is a nice option, but it aint no panacea by a long shot. Just know that much.
In any case, i still don't care enough about the topic of abortion to get all up in arms over it....since i can't get one anyway.
Yeah, and the abortion "right" is dependent on the idea that a woman who isn't responsible enough to use a contraceptive is responsible enough to make a <strike>life and</strike> death decision for someone else.
That's one way of putting it. I can live with that...no problem.
The explosion in unwanted births is the direct result of ubiquitous contraceptives, legalized infanticide and the psychological conditioning that made transient sex widespread and "cool".
I would love to see you offer some scientific evidence or statistics to support this claim. (I don't think you can.) If you do look at actual data, you will find that you are completely wrong. Here is a page that offers abortion data: Abortion in Context: United States and Worldwide
And here are some interesting conclusions based on the data:
...while it may seem paradoxical, a country's abortion rate is not closely correlated with whether abortion is legal there. For example, abortion levels are quite high in Latin American countries, where abortion is highly restricted. (In fact, 20 million of the 46 million abortions performed annually worldwide occur in countries with highly restrictive abortion laws.) At the same time, abortion rates are quite low throughout Western Europe, where the procedure is legal and widely available. Also, Eastern and Western Europe have the world's highest and lowest abortion rates, respectively, yet abortion is generally legal throughout the Continent. If legality is not the determining factor, what drives the rates at which abortions occur in a given country? Clearly, a key factor is the rate at which women experience unintended pregnancies—itself a function of the interplay between a couple's family-size (and timing) goals and their contraceptive use. Abortion levels are high in countries where the desire for small families is strong but contraceptive use is low or ineffective. For example, in most of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics, where desired family size has been small for many years, modern contraceptive methods were not generally available until recently. As a result, women relied on abortion—which was legal, safe and easily accessible—to regulate births. However, as contraceptives have become much easier to obtain in recent years, the situation has begun to change rapidly, and abortion rates in some of these countries fell by as much as 50% between 1990 and 1996.
In sharp contrast, even in countries where abortion is legal and widely available, abortion rates are low if couples practice contraception effectively to limit or space births. In the Netherlands, for example, where abortion has been legal and widely accessible for many years, abortion and unintended pregnancy rates are low because of widespread contraceptive use.
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you have no trouble with a woman gambling with her life in a back alley abortion, sounds like punishment for being sexual to me, having nothing really to do with the baby she would be aborting.
