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Ahh no I didnt.. I gave you video clips of Obama saying costs would go down, 3,000% if I recall.. And the Doc Fix will NEVER be "fixed" it gets renewed YEARLY.. adding far more to the deficit than the "savings" created.. Its why the doc fix was removed from the bill and put through on its own..
I suggest you take 10 min and watch the video on the link you provided. If you listen to the words he says, and try real hard to comprehend them, you may realize he did not say premiums would go down. If fact, early on he refered to them increasing so rapidly as to be unsustainable. He did say his plan for HC would lower what many families would have to pay. up to $2500 per year. But surely you understand that the Ins premium is not what most people will have to pay, at least those earning less than $88k, right?
I suggest you take 10 min and watch the video on the link you provided. If you listen to the words he says, and try real hard to comprehend them, you may realize he did not say premiums would go down. If fact, early on he refered to them increasing so rapidly as to be unsustainable.
Yes Obama has stated NUMEROUS times that Obamacare would reduce premiums "Our cost-cutting measures mirror most of the proposals in the current Senate bill, which reduces most people’s premiums."
Its like you have ignored the complete disagreement with Obamacare during the whole 2 year discussion and you missed 1/2 of what was going on..
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If fact, early on he refered to them increasing so rapidly as to be unsustainable. He did say his plan for HC would lower what many families would have to pay. up to $2500 per year.
His plan for HC INCREASED costs, not lower them.. I just linked you to the CBO report which said they'd go UP $2500. which didnt stop Obama from saying they would go down.. HE LIED TO YOU and you believed him.. http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch...ts-would-go-up
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But surely you understand that the Ins premium is not what most people will have to pay, at least those earning less than $88k, right?
Really? Then who pays for them? You do understand that ALL costs are passed onto the consumers right? I do note that you've once again changed the subject. Everytime you are proven to be wrong, you somehow magically ignore what was said, and then change the topic.. Normally I could understand this but when you continue to repeat the same old lies over and over, I have to ask myself if you have the inability to learn from previous errors and want to keep repeating them..
You guys are absolutely right. We should not recognize that things don't go perfectly the first time. We should not try to adjust or improve the plan for these new developments.
Instead, we should scrap it all go back to the old system where these people with pre-existing conditions have no access to health insurance at all because no companies will take them - and they can then go bankrupt trying to deal with their illnesses out of their pocket or just die in the street like dogs! Some of you right-wingers are apparently filled with a warm, gushy feeling when that happens to others. Go USA!
Please site ONE instance of someone died in the street like a dog because they didn't have healthcare. There is NOBODY in this country that is denied healthcare. Health INSURANCE, yes. But NOT healthcare.
ObamaCare is sooooo screwed up, the only option will be to scrap it. And in typical Henny Penny style, the left thinks the ONLY option is to do nothing as an option. How 'bout we really look at the issue, instead of ramming through the socialist agenda?
I'll wait patiently while you look for that "dying in the street" example. Cue: theme from Jeopardy......
You guys are absolutely right. We should not recognize that things don't go perfectly the first time. We should not try to adjust or improve the plan for these new developments.
Instead, we should scrap it all go back to the old system where these people with pre-existing conditions have no access to health insurance at all because no companies will take them - and they can then go bankrupt trying to deal with their illnesses out of their pocket or just die in the street like dogs! Some of you right-wingers are apparently filled with a warm, gushy feeling when that happens to others. Go USA!
Hate to break it to you, but my state had a high-risk pool long before BO swooped on in.
For the same reason people still believe Obamacare didnt increase costs, didnt increase the national debt, didnt do everything we were told it wasnt going to do.. Because you listened to your liberal news which was drolling at the mouth at an ever increasing size of government while not reading the reports which said everything they were saying were flat out lies!!
Exactly. I had a rather heated debate with a semi-friend who owns a business. She's a died-in-the-wool leftie, and only listens to NPR. She was SHOCKED that her rates went up for her employee healthcare. She was absolutely astounded. I'm talking slack-jawed amazement. Yup, college educated. Nope, not a lick of common sense.
What a crazy thread!
Doctor Jack Kevorkian developed a contraption that could be used to cheaply, effectively, and permanently "treat" all uninsured people with health problems. But America put him in jail, because America is such a moral nation! LOL.
Yes Obama has stated NUMEROUS times that Obamacare would reduce premiums "Our cost-cutting measures mirror most of the proposals in the current Senate bill, which reduces most people’s premiums."
Its like you have ignored the complete disagreement with Obamacare during the whole 2 year discussion and you missed 1/2 of what was going on..
His plan for HC INCREASED costs, not lower them.. I just linked you to the CBO report which said they'd go UP $2500. which didnt stop Obama from saying they would go down.. HE LIED TO YOU and you believed him.. Obama: We knew health costs would go up - The Hill's Healthwatch
Really? Then who pays for them? You do understand that ALL costs are passed onto the consumers right? I do note that you've once again changed the subject. Everytime you are proven to be wrong, you somehow magically ignore what was said, and then change the topic.. Normally I could understand this but when you continue to repeat the same old lies over and over, I have to ask myself if you have the inability to learn from previous errors and want to keep repeating them..
What part of "most people premiums" do you not comprehend? What part of premium subsidy do you not understand? What part of "several funding sources" to provide those subsidies, do you not understand? Or, what is probably more accurate, what part of those things do you believe people reading your posts, will not understand?
Yeah, and if you're a lesser-educated blue collar person who happens to get one of the many JOBS out there today that provides NO HEALTH BENEFITS AT ALL - if you're lucky enough to even get that in these days of high unemployment - then what do you do for health insurance? Snap your fingers and make a wish?
Well, you have a few options. First, you could gain some skills and/or education to get out of your blue collar job. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, though, since many blue collar jobs are union, and lord knows, they get GREAT bennies. Secondly, you could get insurance yourself. I know, I know. You're used to the govt giving you everything, but believe me, you can get a policy outside of your job. I know, I did it. It wasn't expensive. I have a pre-existing condition that made the first company turn me down. What did I do? I found someone that would cover me.
See, you can take responsibility for your own actions, and pursue happiness. You, not the guarantee of happiness, but the pursuit.
What part of "most people premiums" do you not comprehend? What part of premium subsidy do you not understand? What part of "several funding sources" to provide those subsidies, do you not understand? Or, what is probably more accurate, what part of those things do you believe people reading your posts, will not understand?
Nothing in the CBO indicates "MOST PEOPLES PREMIUMS" would go down.. In fact just the OPPOSITE..
I'd have a lot more respect for you if you'd just admit YOU WERE LIED TO.. instead of sitting here trying to justify the lies and spin them into truths..
Well, you have a few options. First, you could gain some skills and/or education to get out of your blue collar job. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about, though, since many blue collar jobs are union, and lord knows, they get GREAT bennies. Secondly, you could get insurance yourself. I know, I know. You're used to the govt giving you everything, but believe me, you can get a policy outside of your job. I know, I did it. It wasn't expensive. I have a pre-existing condition that made the first company turn me down. What did I do? I found someone that would cover me.
See, you can take responsibility for your own actions, and pursue happiness. You, not the guarantee of happiness, but the pursuit.
First of all, understand that I'm not getting jack from anyone in the government. This thread is not about me.
Sure, people can theoretically get an education and get out of their blue collar jobs - but there is oftentimes a good reason why they're in those jobs in the first place: they don't have the mental skill set necessary to go to colleges and graduate schools and successfully compete in high-intellect jobs. Taking out $100K of debt for them to attempt this might not be the best course of action. As for union jobs with great benefits...while you weren't looking, most blue collar manufacturing jobs were exported to cheaper places like China and replaced with jobs like Wal-Mart greeter. Finally, purchasing independent insurance sure isn't cheap for most people - and for those with pre-existing conditions who don't get protection from HIPAA, it may be damn near impossible for many.
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Some of you right-wingers are apparently filled with a warm, gushy feeling when that happens to others. Go USA!
