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Originally Posted by oz in SC
The ACLU doesn't believe the 2nd Amendment is an individual right,the only amendment it views in this way...
Odd don't you think?
Odd? Not at all, they do present a valid argument:
Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.
That's not cherry-picking, good, bad, or indifferent it's being consistent with their stated position.
Odd? Not at all, they do present a valid argument:
Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right. For seven decades, the Supreme Court's 1939 decision in United States v. Miller was widely understood to have endorsed that view.
That's not cherry-picking, good, bad, or indifferent it's being consistent with their stated position.
What other of the Bill Of Rights is not an individual right?
And you were born, when? I didn't mean you alone since you are not alone here as far as far, far left is concerned.
Speaking of the Comintern, what was that letter doing in their archives? I suppose that hero Baldwin didn't write it.
I don't know and don't care. It's consistent with Baldwin being the naive idealist that he was. The record is quite clear that once he understood the communism implied totalitarianism, he was horrifed, as were many other people.
This is just more Neo-McCarthyist blather. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how an organization that consistently fights AGAINST the government on behalf of private individuals can be communist.
no it is not....you may think so and the aclu may think so but if the @nd amendment is a collective right why isn't the 1st???
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dude. And you have no idea how I think.
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As to it 'being covered' by the nra,so what if it is?
The 2dn amendment is the most fought over right there is in my opinion,no other right is so restricted...
Show me where it is written that the ACLU has to do what you want it to do. They have made their position clear, and I am fine with it. They don't get involved in 2nd amendment stuff because - drum roll please - it's not that big a deal, constitutionally. There are relatively few Second Amendment cases out there compared to the rest of the Bill of Rights. That's why every time we have one (like Heller), it makes big news...because it is SO rare compared to, say, the 4th amendment, which is implicated in every single arrest made, just about. Or the 5th, which definitely is.
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I always find it amusing how those who so strongly support the 'people's rights' only seem to support the rights they like....
I'm a gun owner and member of the ACLU, mister. Again, you have no idea how I think.
I don't know and don't care. It's consistent with Baldwin being the naive idealist that he was. The record is quite clear that once he understood the communism implied totalitarianism, he was horrifed, as were many other people.
This is just more Neo-McCarthyist blather. I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how an organization that consistently fights AGAINST the government on behalf of private individuals can be communist.
The very notion is ludicrous.
I asked the ACLU to look into what I considered to be a case of police interfering with my son's life since a sheriff was trying to get even with him for personal reasons and their letter back to me asked what our race was, so I just gave up on that one. White sheriff and whit boy didn't interest them even enough to get the particulars. They just indicated that race needed to be involved and let it drop.
BTW, did your don't know and don't care statement concern when you were born? (just joking)
When you ask them about the Second, they typically grumble and look at their feet...
The 2nd amendment is only difficult to grasp if you already have decided it is a collective right...
It is pretty simple,just like the other rights.
Why is it so difficult to simply disagree with the ACLU's stance on the 2nd Amendment,many of it's supporters do....
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