Who supports a new 9/11 investigation and why or why not? (Rush Limbaugh, Boxer)
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Translation: if I disagree with you, I'm going to call you a liar or a figment of someone's imagination. My own anecdotes, however, are gospel.
Not at all. Everyone's anecdotes are just that- anecdotes... and we are all anonymous here to boot. I don't expect anyone to believe my anecdotes on an anonymous forum.
I haven't called anyone a liar, nor a figment. Nor have I posted any personal anecdotes on this subject other than what first got me into questioning 9/11- every thing else is from other sources.
I hope you're not a translator for the government!
It's not my explanation. The information is available on who rented space and when at the WTCs. FOIA requests have been made, etc.
Other than what we are told- how do we know how many worked there? You have to look at the history and facts about the buildings. Yes, there were a LOT of people daily going to the subway and going to mall and the viewing area etc. so it looked very busy. But do we really know how many actually worked there?
The offices were redone for each new tenant so removal of carpet, furniture, and equipment would be commonplace/unnoticed. Perhaps the last tenant to leave prior to 9/11 was- well, the last tenant to leave. The mall and viewing area were not yet open that morning- removing all of those potential victims from harm- and these are just clues.
If you are really interested then be open to looking at things from a different perspective.
People who are intrigued will follow up of their own volition.
Yes, we REALLY do know how many people actually worked there. We really, really do.
You are one friggin' lousy liar. Don't know what you mean by "viewing area" (ob deck?) but the Concourse (what you call the mall) was certainly open--it always was. I came through it that morning. People I know were on the Concourse when Tower 2 came down and they were thrown into stores from the pressure. A lot of people died down there at that moment.
Expressing questions about the 9/11 CR is not the same as claiming the buildings were taken down by explosives. The CR was in no way a structural analysis of the collapse--that was the NIST report, and as you are aware, it was not done in a vacuum by the government alone.
As has been pointed out, none of Richard Gage's group were actually at the WTC on 9/11 or involved in the recovery and analysis of the debris afterward. Sorry, I will take the word of the real engineers who were there. And his 1400 or so architects and students and electricians and list of people who are not structural engineers and who were never near the WTC pales in comparison to the 25,000 members of the American Society of Civil Engineers, which agrees with the NIST report and the professional engineers with actual WTC knowledge who reviewed the drafts of NCSTAR1.
I looked at your list of "Survivors", too, and lo and behold there is someone I know. He is a professional engineer who worked at the WTC for years and in no way supports your controlled demolition theory. As a matter of fact, he worked back at the site after 9/11. His description of what he heard and saw and felt sounds accurate to me, but it's being quotemined to support the bomb theory you want. I wonder if he knows he's being used in this way. Another one mentions being on the same floor as I was. What he says he saw was accurate. It still does not support the bomb theory, except if that is what you are looking for. When you have been in a building that's been slammed into by a commercial jet, come back then and tell me what it's "supposed" to be like inside. And it doesn't help your case any to trot out poor Willie Rodriguez again. The Professional Truther Poster Boy who magically knew when he was thirty feet underground the exact moment when AA11 hit the building 90+ floors above him.
Your list of survivors--300, it says, although there are about 15,000 of us--is NOT a list of people who support the controlled demolition and/or are calling for a new investigation. They are merely carefully-chosen quotes culled together to make those less discerning believe that they are "evidence" of bombs. Such tactics don't help your case.
If you have serious questions about 9/11, clinging to websites like this won't get you taken seriously.
The real stories are far more fascinating than anything the truthers can dream up. Here is an interesting site--stories may be a little too long for those who thrive on isolated quotes and YouTube sound bites, but I found this bit particularly fascinating, especially in light of the fact that truthers usually ignore the whole Fresh Kills operation.
"We also did the Fresh Kills landfill, sifting through the debris from the Trade Center, hoping to find body parts, identification, the black boxes - which are actually orange. In the beginning, we were finding a lot of body parts.
The area up there was set up pretty much like a military camp. We had tents set up with designations: body parts, bones, identification, papers. All of them in separate spots so you could drop off whatever you found and it could be analyzed. Some of the stuff we found that we thought was human flesh wound up being meat from a refrigerator. And some stuff that we thought was meat from a refrigerator wound up being human flesh. They had scientists up there who could tell the difference.
We'd bring the stuff over in buckets; we were dressed up in the Tyrex suits with the gas masks. You can't appreciate that type of work until you do it.
And then we were assigned to the Morgue, on 1st Avenue and 30th Street. As the bodies and body parts came in, each thing had to go to a different area. If you had an arm, it went to the area where the arms were. If you had a leg, it went to the leg area. Torsos-they all went into refrigerated trailer trucks and they had teams of detectives escorting body parts to wherever they had to go, just to make sure everything was done in a proficient manner. It's a pretty good system."
Tower Stories: An Oral History of 9/11 | Definitive First Person Accounts of September 11th and its Aftermath (http://www.towerstories.org/stories.php - broken link)
(There's a book in print, also.)
This book is about the air response on 9/11, written by a Continental pilot. Haven't yet read the book, but I heard her speak. Again, far more interesting than the CT stories.
And this book, which was originally serialized in The Atlantic, is fascinating. The author was on site for the first few months of the cleanup. After the book came out, he was decried by cops and firefighters because the book includes a couple of stories of looting and infighting on the pile.
Did you know that even NIST had to abandon the pancake theory?
No.
Please point to the specific place in the report where NIST abandons the pancaking explanation.
ETA: Never mind. Found your later post. We are talking apples and pears.
NIST rejects the "pancake theory" as the cause of the collapse. It it rather clear in its description that the progress of the collapse was what we have been referring to in this thread as "pancaking."
So...General Wesley Clark is mentally ill? Because he is on that website, which you did not even look at.
you mean General Wesley Clark , the democrat candidate for president??
you mean General Wesley Clark who was involved with the massacer at Waco
you mean General Wesley Clark who is a war criminal and carpet bombed civilians in Kosovo on March 24, 1999 on orders to try and enforce UN Resolution 1199 following Yugoslavia's refusal of the Rambouillet Agreement. However, Resolution 1199 was a call for cessation of hostilities and does not authorize any organization to take military action.
General Hugh Shelton would say of Clark during his 2004 campaign that "the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."
So...General Wesley Clark is mentally ill? Because he is on that website, which you did not even look at.
I personally know Wesley Clark.
He is not the most mentally healthy retired general I have met. Not the worst either.
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