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Old 02-02-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
I'm having trouble finding a pattern. Florida is higher than some very northern states and it doesn't have those long winter days without daylight.
Lack of sunlight leads to depression which can sometimes lead to suicide. Like I said it's not the only factor.

And I'm not sure Florida has longer days than other places. Again, I'm talking strictly daylight hours. Not weather.

Going to bed. Have a good night all.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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The point would be proven by looking at education expenditures.

Would you like to compare whites in Red States to Blue states in scholastic scores?

How about blacks in Blue States to blacks in Southern States?

How about where the Elite colleges in the USA???? Overwhelming majority in Blue States.
Just so you know. Alaska spends more on education than any state in the entire country. $2,388.05 per capita.

LOLs. LMAO. HaHaHa.
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Old 02-02-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I said suicide rates go up because of lack of daylight hours. I don't think this is debateable.

You come on here and talk about eductaion expenditures and try and act like republicans are less educated and therefore commit suicide at higher rates. What a boring theory you have. And there is absolutley no proof to your simple-minded assertions.

Suicide rates in Alaska and Montana are higher because they have less daylight in the winter months. Ask any doctor if you don't believe me. Sunlight is a natural anti-depressant.
Actually, there's a lot of debate in the field about this. While depression (particularly Seasonal Affective Disorder) increases with lack of hours of sun exposure (and depression is correlated with risk for suicide), the suicide rate variation by state can't be entirely explained by that. Nevada and New Mexico are the third and fourth highest rates, whereas some places at a higher latitude with less daylight in winter (for example Rhode Island, #47, and New Hampshire, #39) have lower rates. The highest rates of suicide actually tend to occur in April-June, when arguably the worst of decreased daylight hours have already passed. There have been studies in the past decade that have found increased rates of suicide with increase in exposure to daylight (can't link these, google scholar "sunlight and suicide rates"). However, there is no widely-recognized theory for why increased sunlight would increase suicide risk, so take that with a grain of salt.

I completely agree that education level and/or political affiliation are not risk factors for suicide. Suicide cuts across all groups. Suicide Statistics at Suicide.org! Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics, Suicide Statistics! (all above stats taken from site in the OP).

You are right that sunlight has an impact on melatonin (a hormone that influences sleep and circadian rhythms) and can help those with Seasonal Affective Disorder regulate sleep/improve mood. This is part of the reason S.A.D. folks in the northern latitudes take melatonin supplements or use "light boxes" as part of treatment.

ETA: I was writing this while the last 10 or so posts happened, so please forgive if I missed a few points!
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Old 02-02-2011, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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2006 seem to be the latest stats available. I wonder how the economy will effect the more recent numbers:

AFSP: Facts and Figures: State Statistics

Rank
State (2006 rank)
Number of Suicides
Population
Rate
1
Alaska (3)
149
681,111
21.8
2
Montana (2)
196
956,624
20.5
3
New Mexico (5)
401
1,964,402
20.4
4
Wyoming (1)
101
523,252
19.3
5
Nevada (4)
471
2,554,344
18.4
6
Colorado (9)
811
4,842,770
16.7
7
West Virginia (12)
300
1,809,836
16.6
8
Arizona (6T)
1,016
6,353,421
16.0
9
Oregon (8)
594
3,735,549
15.9
10
Kentucky (13)
649
4,236,308
15.3
11
Idaho (10)
223
1,496,145
14.9
11
North Dakota (15)
95
637,904
14.9
13
Oklahoma (11)
531
3,608,123
14.7
14
Maine (27T)
191
1,315,398
14.5
15
Utah (16)
378
2,668,925
14.3
15
Vermont (21T)
89
620,748
14.3
17
Arkansas (20)
402
2,830,557
14.2
17
Florida (19)
2,587
18,199,526
14.2
19
Kansas (17)
382
2,777,382
13.8
20
Missouri (18)
808
5,878,399
13.7
20
Tennessee (14)
844
6,149,116
13.7
22
Mississippi (36T)
396
2,921,030
13.6
23
Washington (23)
865
6,449,511
13.4
24
Wisconsin (27T)
729
5,598,893
13.0
25
Alabama (24)
592
4,626,595
12.8
25
South Dakota (6T)
102
795,689
12.8
27
Indiana (21T)
790
6,335,862
12.5
28
Louisana (29T)
522
4,373,310
12.2
29
New Hampshire (31T)
158
1,312,256
12.0
29
South Carolina (26)
530
4,404,914
12.0
31
North Carolina (25)
1,077
9,041,594
11.9
32
Pennsylvania (34T)
1,441
12,419,930
11.6
33
Virginia (31T)
880
7,698,775
11.4
34
Ohio (29T)
1,295
11,477,641
11.3
35
Michigan (34T)
1,131
10,049,790
11.2
36
Delaware (39)
95
861,953
11.0
36
Minnesota (38)
572
5,182,360
11.0
38
Iowa (36T)
322
2,983,360
10.8
39
Georgia (41)
997
9,523,297
10.4
39
Hawaii (42)
133
1,277,356
10.4
41
Nebraska (31T)
181
1,769,473
10.2
41
Texas (40)
2,433
23,843,432
10.2
43
California (43)
3,602
36,377,534
9.9
44
Maryland (44)
518
5,618,899
9.2
45
Rhode Island (45)
96
1,053,136
9.1
46
Illinois (47)
1,108
12,825,809
8.6
47
Massachusetts (48)
516
6,467,915
8.0
48
Connecticut (46)
271
3,489,868
7.7
49
New York (49)
1,396
19,429,316
7.2
50
New Jersey (50)
596
8,653,126
6.9
51
District of Columbia (51)
36
587,868
6.1
Total

34,598
301,290,332
11.5
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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I would venture that suicide rates are higher in the West because there's fewer people for suicide-prone individuals to interact with. It's easier to be isolated in the West. In the dense Northeast, you can expect to bump into another person every day. That seemingly trivial interaction can reduce the sense of hopelessness that coincides with suicidal thinking. However, too much density can also lead to feelings of anonymity and insignificance, like being a lemming or drone.

I still would offer that the reason the West has higher rates is due to the more prevalent lack of social interaction. Lack of sunlight can induce depression, but that's a function of higher latitude, something shared by the entire northern tier of states. When I lived in the Pacific Northwest, the gloom was tough on the soul, but there was enough fun to be had there to offset that influence.
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Old 02-02-2011, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I noticed elevated suicide rates among Native American populations, it certainly has an effect on Alaska's numbers. New Mexico is home to some of the absolute poorest reservations in the whole country, there is probably a correlation there.

Which, for the record debunks the "social safety net" myth, because New Mexico receives more social spending per capita than any other state, and has a large welfare caseload.
For the record, that in no way 'debunks the social safety net myth'. There is nothing to say that the suicide rate in NM wouldn't be higher if there were no 'social safety net'.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Which, for the record debunks the "social safety net" myth, because New Mexico receives more social spending per capita than any other state, and has a large welfare caseload.
I can't find anything to back up this claim. Link?
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Colorado is not a "red" state. Colorado's voters are a pretty independent lot. Right now we have a Dem governor, two Dem senators; our Congressional delegation is 3 Ds and 4 Rs.
Red/blue state is not always easy to define. For consistency I went with States carried by the Republicans in the last 3-of-4 or 4-of-4 Presidential elections. (see map)

Red states and blue states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Zimbochick, meat the spoiler tags Spoiler tag, meat Zimbo chick.

Jus' sayin'



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Originally Posted by Zimbochick View Post
2006 seem to be the latest stats available. I wonder how the economy will effect the more recent numbers:

AFSP: Facts and Figures: State Statistics
Spoiler

Rank
State (2006 rank)
Number of Suicides
Population
Rate
1
Alaska (3)
149
681,111
21.8
2
Montana (2)
196
956,624
20.5
3
New Mexico (5)
401
1,964,402
20.4
4
Wyoming (1)
101
523,252
19.3
5
Nevada (4)
471
2,554,344
18.4
6
Colorado (9)
811
4,842,770
16.7
7
West Virginia (12)
300
1,809,836
16.6
8
Arizona (6T)
1,016
6,353,421
16.0
9
Oregon (8)
594
3,735,549
15.9
10
Kentucky (13)
649
4,236,308
15.3
11
Idaho (10)
223
1,496,145
14.9
11
North Dakota (15)
95
637,904
14.9
13
Oklahoma (11)
531
3,608,123
14.7
14
Maine (27T)
191
1,315,398
14.5
15
Utah (16)
378
2,668,925
14.3
15
Vermont (21T)
89
620,748
14.3
17
Arkansas (20)
402
2,830,557
14.2
17
Florida (19)
2,587
18,199,526
14.2
19
Kansas (17)
382
2,777,382
13.8
20
Missouri (18)
808
5,878,399
13.7
20
Tennessee (14)
844
6,149,116
13.7
22
Mississippi (36T)
396
2,921,030
13.6
23
Washington (23)
865
6,449,511
13.4
24
Wisconsin (27T)
729
5,598,893
13.0
25
Alabama (24)
592
4,626,595
12.8
25
South Dakota (6T)
102
795,689
12.8
27
Indiana (21T)
790
6,335,862
12.5
28
Louisana (29T)
522
4,373,310
12.2
29
New Hampshire (31T)
158
1,312,256
12.0
29
South Carolina (26)
530
4,404,914
12.0
31
North Carolina (25)
1,077
9,041,594
11.9
32
Pennsylvania (34T)
1,441
12,419,930
11.6
33
Virginia (31T)
880
7,698,775
11.4
34
Ohio (29T)
1,295
11,477,641
11.3
35
Michigan (34T)
1,131
10,049,790
11.2
36
Delaware (39)
95
861,953
11.0
36
Minnesota (38)
572
5,182,360
11.0
38
Iowa (36T)
322
2,983,360
10.8
39
Georgia (41)
997
9,523,297
10.4
39
Hawaii (42)
133
1,277,356
10.4
41
Nebraska (31T)
181
1,769,473
10.2
41
Texas (40)
2,433
23,843,432
10.2
43
California (43)
3,602
36,377,534
9.9
44
Maryland (44)
518
5,618,899
9.2
45
Rhode Island (45)
96
1,053,136
9.1
46
Illinois (47)
1,108
12,825,809
8.6
47
Massachusetts (48)
516
6,467,915
8.0
48
Connecticut (46)
271
3,489,868
7.7
49
New York (49)
1,396
19,429,316
7.2
50
New Jersey (50)
596
8,653,126
6.9
51
District of Columbia (51)
36
587,868
6.1
Total

34,598
301,290,332
11.5
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:36 PM
 
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Ummmmmmm, and OTHER CONTROVERSIES.
LOL The title cracks me up because it implies that politics are controversial, hence the "other" in "other controversies"

Suicide is very sad. It reminds me of a certain someone. I had no clue he would do what he ultimately did.
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