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Old 02-01-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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This isn't about religious ideology.
Jimmy Carter probably had the same mind-set back in 1979.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:14 PM
 
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We did support the Kurds to revolt against Saddam during the Reagan administration but we bailed out on them causing their mass execution by Saddam.

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The USA reluctantly supported Iraq's secular leader rather than Iran's Islamic extreamist government but they were sympathetic to the plight of the Kurds. The Kurdish Democratic Party along with the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, fought with Iran, against their own country during the Iran/Iraq war. Iran provided the Kurds with weapons, funds, and medical help, in exchange for the PUK's help in destroying the Ba'ath party and Suddam Hussein. Although the PUK had at first been against the KDP and it's siding with Iran, the destruction of their land during the war by the Ba'ath party, forced the PUK to join arms with Iran to protect themselves, and keep the hope and fight of the Kurds alive. The Kurds accrued the help of the United States and Iran to aid in their own revolt against Iraq. When Iraq finally promised Iran partial control of the waterway to end the war, Iran withdrew aid to the peshmerga. The USA, not wanting war with Iraq, also ended its covert assitance of the Kurdish rebellion. Because of Kurdish 'treason' to the country by crawling to foreign powers for help, Saddam gassed the Kurds and forced the survivors to leave their homes.
Genocides of Armenians and Kurds
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:16 PM
 
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Jimmy Carter probably had the same mind-set back in 1979.
So did Ronald Reagan...he helped Al Queda to stave off the Soviet Union.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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no you shouldn't, you should have just let Iraq alone.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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no you shouldn't, you should have just let Iraq alone.
Indeed, invading Iraq based on questionable information while the troops are spread thin hunting down Osama bin Laden was not a good idea.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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Wow, already this is going to degenerate into partisan bickering? Can't we just admit that maybe, just MAYBE, our side was wrong?
What was wrong?

We found mass graves, children in jail by the thousands, they did find chemicals of mass destruction, tons of yellow cake and they were ready to start their nuke program back up.

Also the League of Nations...whoops, United Nations blocked anyone from coming in for 11 months so Iraq had those months to move stuff around or away.

If you knew 11 months in advance that you were going to have your house searched by the FBI and had an illegal gun would you?
Move the gun?
Keep the gun there and get busted?

All through this Iran has also been a problem which was allowed to happen when Carter brought the Theocracy back to Iran. Good move Jimmy.

Who would ever think the brother peeing on the runway would do less damage to our country than his brother the President?
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:29 PM
 
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What was wrong?

We found mass graves, children in jail by the thousands, they did find chemicals of mass destruction, tons of yellow cake and they were ready to start their nuke program back up.

Also the League of Nations...whoops, United Nations blocked anyone from coming in for 11 months so Iraq had those months to move stuff around or away.

If you knew 11 months in advance that you were going to have your house searched by the FBI and had an illegal gun would you?
Move the gun?
Keep the gun there and get busted?

All through this Iran has also been a problem which was allowed to happen when Carter brought the Theocracy back to Iran. Good move Jimmy.

Who would ever think the brother peeing on the runway would do less damage to our country than his brother the President?
You are aware that the chemicals and supplies for WMDs were given to Al Queda because Ronald Renald gave it to them while they were fighting the Soviet Union? Seriously, this is not all Jimmy Carter's fault. He has some blame for screwing up the hostage crisis but Reagan has a lot more blame for the whole selling them nuclear arms thing.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:44 PM
 
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You are aware that the chemicals and supplies for WMDs were given to Al Queda because Ronald Renald gave it to them while they were fighting the Soviet Union? Seriously, this is not all Jimmy Carter's fault. He has some blame for screwing up the hostage crisis but Reagan has a lot more blame for the whole selling them nuclear arms thing.
They weren't that old (some old mustard gas was found though), there were stock piles of 50 gallon drums next to other drums that would in an instant create the weapon by simply mixing the two.
Carter gave us a theocracy running Iran, that was his show. We deal with it to this day and they had influence with what is happening it Egypt at this very moment.

The tens upon tens of thousands of dead folks recently in mass graves and the torture devices used to be featured in a website called massgraves dot com, but I think they were retired.
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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What was wrong?

We found mass graves, children in jail by the thousands, they did find chemicals of mass destruction, tons of yellow cake and they were ready to start their nuke program back up.

Also the League of Nations...whoops, United Nations blocked anyone from coming in for 11 months so Iraq had those months to move stuff around or away.

If you knew 11 months in advance that you were going to have your house searched by the FBI and had an illegal gun would you?
Move the gun?
Keep the gun there and get busted?

All through this Iran has also been a problem which was allowed to happen when Carter brought the Theocracy back to Iran. Good move Jimmy.

Who would ever think the brother peeing on the runway would do less damage to our country than his brother the President?
Wow, i'm still in shock that there's still some Kool-Aid left after 7 years. Must be stockpiles of that stuff lying around...huh?
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Old 02-01-2011, 05:36 PM
 
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OP seems to forget how Saddam handled the uprising after the guld war. There were lots of bodies unbarried to show it if you search.Just as Iran actaully just executing a guy for inetent use during the recant protest.
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