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Old 02-02-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: North America
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Actual number: 4,287
Wrong.

You purposely left out the suicides from PTS soldiers and Marines.

They count too.
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Old 02-02-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: PNW, CPSouth, JacksonHole, Southampton
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Why on Earth would you assume anything Bush did was for the good of Americans? Why would anyone even think that Bush is capable of caring about anyone or anything but his narcissistic self-image as a "winner"?

The whole point of Iraq was to have as big a war as possible, so that his buddies/clients/Johns in the Defense Industry could make boocoodles of money. Not one of them, including 'W' gave two hoots in hell about the lives of American servicemen.

In fact, the more Traditional Americans get killed in these pointless wars, the sooner America's Founding Stock is replaced with third-worlders. BONUS!

I agree that the strategy you described would have been infinitely better...assuming one of the goals was to do what was good for America and Americans. Unfortunately, that objective was not on the list.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Why on Earth would you assume anything Bush did was for the good of Americans? Why would anyone even think that Bush is capable of caring about anyone or anything but his narcissistic self-image as a "winner"?

The whole point of Iraq was to have as big a war as possible, so that his buddies/clients/Johns in the Defense Industry could make boocoodles of money. Not one of them, including 'W' gave two hoots in hell about the lives of American servicemen.

In fact, the more Traditional Americans get killed in these pointless wars, the sooner America's Founding Stock is replaced with third-worlders. BONUS!

I agree that the strategy you described would have been infinitely better...assuming one of the goals was to do what was good for America and Americans. Unfortunately, that objective was not on the list.
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Old 02-02-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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If Bush were smart he would have engineered an Egypt-style internal popular revolt to bring about regime change instead of sacrificing 6,000 young, vital Americans and $590,000,000,000.00

He could have done it with the CIA, State Department, DoD PsyOps and a little ingenuity.

Probably would have cost less than $100,000,000.00 and thousands of American kids would still have a daddy to hug.

...just sayin'

Wouldn't that involve breaking the international laws liberals so love?

As though Liberals would have agreed with anything Bush did.

As though liberals didn't support the Iraq invasion until it became politically advantageous to oppose it.


Isn't your plan the same one war monger Kennedy used to get us involved in the failed Bay of Pigs invasion and Veit Nam War?

Does someone in this conversatiopn not remeber we once supported a revolution in Cuba led by our friend Fidel Castro?

Who were we to back in Iraq such that we could be sure this leader wouldn't also become a dictator hostile to the US?
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Old 02-02-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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As though liberals didn't support the Iraq invasion until it became politically advantageous to oppose it.
"Liberals" didn't. Some Democratic scumbag politicians did. Don't confuse those with "liberals."
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:02 AM
 
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"Liberals" didn't. Some Democratic scumbag politicians did. Don't confuse those with "liberals."

Gonna pass on the other five points?
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Why on Earth would you assume anything Bush did was for the good of Americans? Why would anyone even think that Bush is capable of caring about anyone or anything but his narcissistic self-image as a "winner"?

The whole point of Iraq was to have as big a war as possible, so that his buddies/clients/Johns in the Defense Industry could make boocoodles of money. Not one of them, including 'W' gave two hoots in hell about the lives of American servicemen.

In fact, the more Traditional Americans get killed in these pointless wars, the sooner America's Founding Stock is replaced with third-worlders. BONUS!

I agree that the strategy you described would have been infinitely better...assuming one of the goals was to do what was good for America and Americans. Unfortunately, that objective was not on the list.

Sure is easy to make politically convenient accusations like that when you don't have to provide proof.
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Old 02-03-2011, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I agree totaly but then how would all the cronyism been played out and how would all his buddies been compensated for helping him get into office?



Isn't life wonderful when all you have to do is sit back and sling mud?

The idea that a coup d'état would not only succeed without direct US military support, but also become a representative government friendly to Western nations with terrorist state Iran and any number of radical Muslim organizations poised to intervene at any moment is simply a childish fantasy.
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:05 AM
 
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Indeed. But let's not place all the blame on him, the headstrong neo-cons who believe that might makes right and the evangelical fundamentalists that believe all Muslims are Al Queda members share a responsibility for all this.


Hmm, evangelical fundamentalists believe all Muslims are al-Qaida members. Do you happen to have a link to this study?


Most Muslims do not need to be terrorist for most terrorists to be Muslims.

Your retarded PC logic is why the TSA is feeling up everyone with a titanium hip while young Muslim males walk right through security as though being Muslim were a completely incidental characteristic of the typical hijacker.


...and it's "who".
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Old 02-03-2011, 01:22 AM
 
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So did Ronald Reagan...he helped Al Queda to stave off the Soviet Union.


What would have been your solution to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan?

You seem to support the idea of using the available surrogates in Iraq, so what is so fundamentally different about Afghanistan?
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