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Who said all Muslims are evil? we are discussing the MB and their desire to force their beliefs on the rest of the world. The poster posited that Muslim extremists posed no danger to the west, the poster is clearly wrong.
Perhaps we can just prefix the word significant? Muslim extremists post no significant threat to the West. Would that suffice?
It to a matter of causation. I don't want to condescend here, but people find causation a tricky thing to deal with.
So, correlation means that things show a relationship to one another, for example as the number of pirates has gone down global temperatures have gone up, there is a statistical relationship (inversely) between pirate numbers and global temperatures. Causation however, is claiming that something causes something else. The two are often mistaken, so, in effect people think that pirates keep the sea cool - clearly a silly logical error.
Now, this issue comes down to causation, does Islam 'cause' people to be violent/authoritarian/terrorist. Or are Islamic majority countries in an area of the world that has other problems that cause these issues, and Islam is the dominant religion, thus the way in which these problems are expressed?
I would suggest that claiming that Islam causes someone to be violent/authoritarian just doesn't add up, any more so than Christianity causing someone to be violent.
Now, you mention Islamic law, something subject to interpretation, and that has changed over time. It seems to me that a changing law, is more a subject of politics than a cause of it.
LOL, it doesn't matter. As Daniel Pearls head was rolling off his shoulders my guess is he wasn't worried about the tricky notion of causation. The fact is it is Muslim etremists in th 21st century who are visiting violence on non believers.
To blithely describe Sharia law as some benign political issue is ridiculous in the extreme and shows you have no real understanding of what it is.
Perhaps we can just prefix the word significant? Muslim extremists post no significant threat to the West. Would that suffice?
When a dirty bomb explodes in Time Square will you concede that is a significant threat? Or does it have to explode outside your door to be significant? Either you or our intelligence agencies are wrong. And I am guessing you're wrong.
Uggg, you don't understand the difference do you? People are not having violence visited on them simply because they are not Christians in the west. That is the case in Muslim countries, see the Coptyic Christians. We are doomed because of the ignorance of how Muslim extremists are operating around the world. It seems some Americans won't get it until people in Detroit start getting beheaded for going to Christian services. Or perhaps Jews in NY get beheaded for going to synagogue.
Well, Muslims are attacked for not being Christians in fact:
The problem is that there a lot of separate states in the Middle East and North Africa, not a Muslim empire. Furthermore its quite clear that Muslims and Christians and Jews can live in peace (Turkey, Ottoman empire, and oddly Iran) so the issue appears more political than religious.
The problem is that there a lot of separate states in the Middle East and North Africa, not a Muslim empire. Furthermore its quite clear that Muslims and Christians and Jews can live in peace (Turkey, Ottoman empire, and oddly Iran) so the issue appears more political than religious.
Second you still don't get it. Any violence visited upon Muslims in America is not coordianted and more importantly, it isn't directed at getting them to convert to Christianity.
You continually miss the point. Simply because the majority of people in the world of all faiths get along doesn't mean that Muslim extremism is not a significant threat to the world. How much violence in the name of Muslim extremism do you need to see before you get it?
When a dirty bomb explodes in Time Square will you concede that is a significant threat? Or does it have to explode outside your door to be significant? Either you or our intelligence agencies are wrong. And I am guessing you're wrong.
There is a difference between capability and intent. Terrorists record is hardly impressive when it comes to significant threats to security of Western states.
Put in more politics terms, inter-state wars kill huge numbers of people, they should be the biggest concern of state. Terrorism is mainly a police matter, and like murder, or theft. These people should be arrested, but there isn't really a need for panic.
Second you still don't get it. Any violence visited upon Muslims in America is not coordianted and more importantly, it isn't directed at getting them to convert to Christianity.
You continually miss the point. Simply because the majority of people in the world of all faiths get along doesn't mean that Muslim extremism is not a significant threat to the world. How much violence in the name of Muslim extremism do you need to see before you get it?
Threat is relative. China is a threat to Western security, they are a affluent state of increasing economic and military power. Our last war with China was very costly, another war with China would no doubt be more so. Russia is a threat to security, natural researches, autocratic state, large, unstable.
Muslim extremist, poorly armed, poor organized, disparate groups who often disagree with one another. Limited capability, poor track record. The threat needs to be put in context yes?
There is a difference between capability and intent. Terrorists record is hardly impressive when it comes to significant threats to security of Western states.
Put in more politics terms, inter-state wars kill huge numbers of people, they should be the biggest concern of state. Terrorism is mainly a police matter, and like murder, or theft. These people should be arrested, but there isn't really a need for panic.
Holy smokes where have you been 9/11, the Cole, Madrid, London, Mumbai. I really think the only way some folks will get the danger posed by these folks is if a bomb explode under them.
I don't think you fully understand the concept of terrorism. Of course more people are killed in car accidents than terrorism. that is the point of terrorism. To have spectacular events that kill many people at once. If they had more sophisticated weapons i.e. a dirty bomb, they would use it. Terrorism is war by other means, it is kind of shocking that there are some folks who still don't get it. They will when they are subject to it.
Threat is relative. China is a threat to Western security, they are a affluent state of increasing economic and military power. Our last war with China was very costly, another war with China would no doubt be more so. Russia is a threat to security, natural researches, autocratic state, large, unstable.
Muslim extremist, poorly armed, poor organized, disparate groups who often disagree with one another. Limited capability, poor track record. The threat needs to be put in context yes?
China's stated goal isn't our conversion or annihilation nor have they taken any violent action towards us. China is not an existential threat. Neither is Russia.
Again It wasn't relevent to the folks on the Cole, in the WTC, Mumbai towers, madrid, London, Danial Pearl, etc that these folks are poorly organized (which I do not concede).
Please put a ricin attack or dirty bomb attack in NYC in context for me.
Glen Beck's show today focused on how the purpose of all these uprising in the Middle East is to establish a row of dominoes from West Africa to Indonesia in which all non-Muslim governments will fall and a system of government known as caliphate governance will be established. Their intention is to also drag Europe into this chain. Is this remotely possible??
With beck anything is possible. Just get the writers to come up with something that will placate the right p...off the left and put lots of money in becks bank account. Beck think =Truth? dont worry about that ,it just gets in the way of a good story .
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dont worry about that ,it just gets in the way of a good story .
