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Old 02-05-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by padcrasher View Post
Oh we got the memo....The most liberal States have the lowest divorce rates.

Red States purchase the most porn and their unwed daughters get knocked up at higher rates.

While you're lecturing people on family values...they're eating your lunch.

The New York Times > Opinion > Image >
In looking at your link I came to the realization that it is Guttmacher that the CDC gets its probably adjusted numbers about abortion annually. No wonder the Times uses their numbers about teen abortions, whoops pregnancies.

 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:35 PM
 
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What confuses me the most is the mentality. Even without money in your pocket...even without an education...what is so hard about (men) owning up to their responsibility, marrying the woman he has a child with, and doing what's right by that woman and that child? Even in the poorest of situations, I don't get why the parents of these children STILL make bad decisions. Shouldn't conceiving a child when you have no means to pay for it be an eye opener? Shouldn't it rattle your world and bring you back into reality? But still...the revolving door spins.

I simply do not understand why it's not within the ability or the desire of the black community to stop the revolving door. It only takes one person to stop the revolving door. ONE. If outsiders looking in can see the devastation the "urban" lifestyle causes, why can't the black community see it? And more importantly, why aren't they doing anything to stop it?
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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We know how you "christians" force religion down peoples throats. Us non believers are not blind.
You need to say something about MOgal's words instead of just saying whatever an atheist wants to see. Look at the bottom left of the post to see where you can reply without putting up something that you don't even mention. The word REPLY shows up there.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Obviously, throwing money at the tragedy will not help, we've been doing that for 30 years and their plight has gone from bad to worse.

Education IS the key, but with no support at home, unhealthy and destructive peer pressure outside of the home and a general behavioral attitude of dependence for decades, where do you begin to reverse the destruction.
Just let those atheists tell us what to do. They have been largely to blame for the destruction of those families. The worst part of it all is that the numbers of single mothers among blacks may be higher but look at the number of fatherless white families we have.

The far left recognized long ago that this destruction of families would serve their purposes better than anything.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I'm guessing there will not be a lot of discussion of the actual topic going on in here?

Okay seriously, there are a bunch of studies that might be useful here, I think I might try to hunt them down later when I have some time.
Please do that. This place needs some intelligent searching by somebody.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:44 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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We know how you "christians" force religion down peoples throats. Us non believers are not blind.
You are right. You should have the right to go to Hell. Go for it.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Liberals don't believe in "family values".

That's the dumbest thing I've read all week. And there is a LOT of dumb here.

Why would otherwise-similar black and white households have different incentives to signal their wealth? Charles, Hurst, and Roussanov argue that it’s because blacks and whites are seeking status in different communities. In the racially divided society we live in, whites are trying to impress other whites, and blacks are trying to impress other blacks. But because poor blacks are more likely to live among other poor blacks than poor whites are to live among other poor whites, poor black families are more susceptible to being pulled into a signaling game with their neighbors.

Once these effects are accounted for, racial disparities in visible consumption disappear. It’s not that black Americans are more inclined to signal wealth; rather, poor blacks are more likely than poor whites to be a part of communities where they are relatively rich enough to participate in the signaling game.

A new way of looking at race and conspicuous consumption. - By Ray Fisman - Slate Magazine

Many in the black community have been critical of Cosby for blaming poor people rather than poor public policies. Others have defended Cosby's comments as an honest expression of uncomfortable truths. ......... Using data from the Consumer Expenditure Survey for 1986-2002, they find that blacks and Hispanics indeed spend more than whites with comparable incomes on what the authors classify as "visible goods" (clothes, cars, and jewelry). A lot more, in fact—up to an additional 30 percent.
In the early 60s I read a black man from Omaha talking about the cars they buy as being the only way for them to show off. He said that when one of them buys a nice house he was considered a block buster and the whites moved out leaving him in an area full of blacks with very reduced property values. The big car was a better way to spend his money. I don't know but what he said made a lot of sense to me back then.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Didn't you get the memo in the 1980's? Liberals don't believe in "family values" and look how well it is working out for their most reliable constitutents!
Which memo was that? A right wing talking point memo claiming things about Liberals that are untrue, but which will allows them to feel superior.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:51 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Probably the greatest common denominator for people in prison is a one parent, mother-only household. A child without an active father or male influence is always the hardest child for me to coach.

A boy will find a male influence, one way or the other, even if it is a gang-banger.
 
Old 02-05-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What confuses me the most is the mentality. Even without money in your pocket...even without an education...what is so hard about (men) owning up to their responsibility, marrying the woman he has a child with, and doing what's right by that woman and that child? Even in the poorest of situations, I don't get why the parents of these children STILL make bad decisions. Shouldn't conceiving a child when you have no means to pay for it be an eye opener? Shouldn't it rattle your world and bring you back into reality? But still...the revolving door spins.

I simply do not understand why it's not within the ability or the desire of the black community to stop the revolving door. It only takes one person to stop the revolving door. ONE. If outsiders looking in can see the devastation the "urban" lifestyle causes, why can't the black community see it? And more importantly, why aren't they doing anything to stop it?
I repped you for this post but I think that much of the problem could well be that too many of those women don't want a man around to get in the way of the welfare check. I sent a list of excuses that some of those women gave to welfare people about why they didn't know who the fathers were to a friend in Miami and she said don't just laugh at those stories. She said she hears them all the time at work. You know stories like the one who said someone got her from behind while she was leaning out a window throwing up the party goods.

These excuses were very funny but the numbers of single mothers in either community, black or white, is way too high for me to understand.
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