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Interesting how the argument went from a fiscal crisis (which the unions relented on) to one of raw union busting. The right is getting pretty damn lazy with their excuses and intellectual dishonesty these days.
Public employee unions collective bargaining and the way it hijacks any state's ability to control their budget (required by law to be balanced) is the issue at hand. But thanks anyway for the SPIN! Of course, it failed!
Public employee unions collective bargaining and the way it hijacks any state's ability to control their budget is the issue at hand. But thanks anyway for the SPIN! Of course, it failed!
So no, you're wrong on hijacking the state's ability to control their budget. They were clearly willing to capitulate. The Republicans don't care because it isn't about financials. It is about breaking labor.
Interesting how the argument went from a fiscal crisis (which the unions relented on) to one of raw union busting. The right is getting pretty damn lazy with their excuses and intellectual dishonesty these days.
I see nothing in the bill, that doesn't allow a public employee
from joining a union, do you?
So no, you're wrong on hijacking the state's ability to control their budget. They were clearly willing to capitulate. The Republicans don't care because it isn't about financials. It is about breaking labor.
It's funny - because we have so few labor/industrial jobs
left in America - what are they breaking?
.........So no, you're wrong on hijacking the state's ability to control their budget. They were clearly willing to capitulate. The Republicans don't care because it isn't about financials. It is about breaking labor.
It is absolutely about the financial aspect. Collective bargaining directly takes a toll on the state's ability to predict their expenses and balance their budget over the years. Collective bargaining forces taxes on the public (without their consent/representation) via property taxes consistently higher and is actually a form of taxation without representation.
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[SIZE=-1]Moreover, to the extent that public employees gain power through recognition and collective bargaining, other interest groups with a right to a voice in the running of the government may be left out of vital political decisions. Thus the granting of collective bargaining rights to public employees involves important matters fundamental to our democratic form of government. The setting of goals and making policy decisions are rights inuring to each citizen. All citizens have the right to associate in groups to advocate their special interests to the government. It is something entirely different to grant any one interest group special status and access to the decision-making process.[/SIZE]
This illegal strike is costing the taxpayers of WI money (approx $9 million to date). That is financial. Guess what, strikes in areas where public sector collective bargaining is allowed is higher then where it is not. Thus, more cost again thrust upon the taxpayer.
As usual the Repubs have bitten off more than they can chew. They say so what go ahead and protest. What they seem to forget, and it is a typical problem of the right-wingers, is that they do not understand that had they done things a little differently the masses would have not been awakened. But as always the Bull in the China Shop approach is their preferred tactic. Well now you have everyone’s attention now and what is amazing is they actually believe in their delusional way that the attention somehow works in their favor. This is going to get very ugly before it settles down, and I predict that many of the small fights the Repubs will win, particularly at the state level such as Wis where there politicians have the numbers. What they fail to understand is that they will lose the long term fight because no amount of redistricting by the Repubs will save them come election time. The Repubs are slashing and burning in Washingtoon and doing the same at the state levels, all under the excuse of budget cuts, and that might actually fly if it were not so very obvious that what they are slashing and burning are only what they are against. Some of you may say that is not true! So explain why in Wis they cannot deal with the teachers union at all because of budget shortfalls yet at the same give Millions in tax cuts to their rich??? Explain why Planned Parenthood funding gets cut while they insist on continuing to fund NASCAR? No folks this is Not about Common Sense this is about the Party of NO using their new found powers to slash and burn anything they have disagreed with for years without the slightest bit of bipartisanship or discussion. As some of them admit it is get even time and that is that what they are doing. Are those the sort of leaders you want leading this nation? Oh, forget the "We have a mandate" mantra, the actions they are taking today is not what they ran on, if they had they would never have gotten elected. It is why thinking people ask for the details when politicians make promises, the devil is always in the details. I predict the GOP will go down in flames in the next elections and on into the foreseeable future, they will continue showing that they are Pawns of the rich and Big Business and the People be Da**ed, and the voters will voice their opinion on their actions loudly. So Repubs, keep up the good work, keep showing your inner selves to the voters, enjoy your power while you can the clock is ticking on your time in office and when you are gone much of what you think you got accomplished will be reversed and set right.
Casper
As usual, the Democrats in WI in the previous administration left a mess and it is up to Walker to try to clean it up. In fact, the people of WI elected him to do just that.
Public employee unions collective bargaining and the way it hijacks any state's ability to control their budget (required by law to be balanced) is the issue at hand. But thanks anyway for the SPIN! Of course, it failed!
It's spin? So you don't want to bust the unions? What are you saying?
I found it interesting to see that the union busting bill in WI also includes .......
The ability to sell off any energy producing entity in the state (electrical plants, ethanol facilities, etc) without bids, for any price that seems appropriate ~~ and ~~
A provision to have a functionary re-write the state rules and guidelines for health care assistance, a process that is required to be accomplished by the duly elected members of the state legislature.
Arsonists don't care what they burn down if the flames are pretty, the sirens are loud, and the flashing lights bathe everything with a lurid glow.
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It is absolutely about the financial aspect. Collective bargaining directly takes a toll on the state's ability to predict their expenses and balance their budget over the years. Collective bargaining forces taxes on the public (without their consent/representation) via property taxes consistently higher and is actually a form of taxation without representation.
