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More and more I'm starting to think that the govt needs to out of marriage ENTIRELY. Not just with GBLT ones, but all of them. It's such a political clusterf**k!
Tenth amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If marriage is controlled by the state you are forced to deal with the laws of that state.
Marriage is not a right nor should it be. nor should any benefit from government or rights be granted to it straight, gay or whatever.
Telling someone you love them and want to be with them forever has no business of government PERIOD!
When you started letting government give you status you screwed yourselves.
Tenth amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
And you would be right, IF THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT DIDN'T EXIST.
But it does, so you are wrong. State marriage laws have to comport with the Equal Protection clause of the 14th amendment. That is the issue here.
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If marriage is controlled by the state you are forced to deal with the laws of that state.
State laws cannot violate the Federal Constitution. This is not a very good argument you are making here, you cannot rely on the 10th in a case where other aspects of the Constitution are in play.
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Marriage is not a right nor should it be.
It is absolutely, unquestioningly, positively a right. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967). You lost this argument decades ago. Try to keep up.
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nor should any benefit from government or rights be granted to it straight, gay or whatever.
You need to get familiar with parts of the Constitution other than the largely defunct 10th Amendment.
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Telling someone you love them and want to be with them forever has no business of government PERIOD!
I think you may have just contradicted yourself.
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When you started letting government give you status you screwed yourselves.
A state known for nothing? That is the way we like it. It is a great place to live and we want to keep all the libs just where they are at now- on the coasts.
Interestingly, we "hillbillies" have one of the highest literacy rates, highest ACT scores, lowest unemployment levels, and best standards of living in the US. We have family owned factories which have not been rooted up and sent overseas as well as a finance and ag based economy that does well when the rest of the nation suffers (see the Dakotas, Nebraska).[/quote]
I wonder how much of your "prosperous economy" and flourishing economy is derived from farm and other ag subsidies, stolen from tax payers in the coastal states? Iowa received 10% more from the fed than they pay in. Buncha socialists.
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Unfortunately, any coastal types who have moved here really like it. We want you to stay right where you are and away from us illiterate rubes.
Never said you were illiterate. I said, "yeehaw values." One can have yeehaw values anywhere, but when your most interesting cultural contribution to the world is corn, it may be function of not being able to attract talent with more worldly interests and needs.
Ahhh, when the majority can enforce their moral beliefs on the minority. That's what America was created for, right???
Don't you mean when you had a government that represented the will of the people as opposed to a system whereby the people were told what was good for them by an unelected elite?
Don't you mean when you had a government that represented the will of the people as opposed to a system whereby the people were told what was good for them by an unelected elite?
Civil rights are not subject to the whim of the majority.
Recognizing the rights of the individual and believing that the government shouldn't have the power to discriminate based on sex or sexual orientation is not a leftist idea.
It is, in fact, quite the opposite. This equating support for civil rights as being leftist is one of the more idiotic, baseless and ignorant pieces if propaganda coming from the extreme RIGHT these days.
Because those on the extreme Right are not conservatives - they are authoritarians, and authoritarians are against everything that America is.
So tell us, why do you hate America so much?
You mean authoritarian in that a strong federal government has the ability to simply enforce it's will on an unwilling public as opposed to the democratic ideal of a government representing the needs and aspirations of it's peoples. You mean authorian in that sense?
You mean authoritarian in that a strong federal government has the ability to simply enforce it's will on an unwilling public as opposed to the democratic ideal of a government representing the needs and aspirations of it's peoples. You mean authorian in that sense?
How is it authoritarian to permit people to marry, when that permission has no effect on the right of others at all?
And again, this is not something the majority gets to decide. For good reason.
So I think you really don't have much of an understanding of our actual system of government, or what the Constitution is for...
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