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Old 02-24-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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So, the laws of a country should reflect the whims of a faithful demographic power base of the democratic party?
That's what we call a straw man argument, because that is not at all what I said.

Try harder. Use logic this time, instead of logical fallacy.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Individual's rights will prevail no matter how may people would like to prevent that. The Constitution guaranteed that. That is one of the beauties of this Country.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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So, the laws of a country should reflect the whims of a faithful demographic power base of the democratic party?
You need to go read the constitution, bill of rights and writings of our founders. We are setup as a Constitutional Republic.

The idea of a constitution is to protect the individual from the whims of the majority. As long as you are a peaceful person, you should not have to worry about the majority dictating how you live your life.

One of the biggest fallacies we have is that we are a democracy. We are, not. Two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner is not liberty, sorry.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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So, the laws of a country should reflect the whims of a faithful demographic power base of the democratic party?
So, the laws of a country should reflect the whims of a faithful demographic power base of the book of fairy tales?
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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Interestingly, we "hillbillies" have one of the highest literacy rates, highest ACT scores, lowest unemployment levels, and best standards of living in the US. We have family owned factories which have not been rooted up and sent overseas as well as a finance and ag based economy that does well when the rest of the nation suffers (see the Dakotas, Nebraska).

Money "stolen" from farm subsidies? Great! Stop them now. I think you would be happier when your food prices triple. I own farmland and would not mind at all if the feds removed subsidies and the CRP program. That systems benefits YOU more than the farmers.

"Yeehaw values". The implications of such a statement is quite clear and reveals the false sense of superiority and smugness manifest by most liberals. Again, the aggregate of our state is more intelligent and more highly educated than the rest of the nation.

Our "cultural contribution to the world" is common sense and family values. Further, we still manufacture things for the rest of the world and produce considerable goods for export. I would offer that corn and a solid work ethic is more valuable to the world than drugs, single parent families, and unemployment.

I can guarantee you that I have been to more art museums, seen more Broadway plays, and been to more classical concerts than you. However, this does not make me "superior" to you in any regard. It is inconsequential and quite frankly I value wild hog hunting more highly than Broadway plays. If you consider San Francisco or NYC the seat of culture, I will take Des Moines anytime. I have found those in NYC to be some of the most provincial "hillbillies" I have ever encountered in the world, as they are inbred and rarely travel outside of the metro area. This lack of travel and inbreeding has produced a unique set of "values" which is diametrically opposed to most things I value.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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Why cant gays and libs just take civil unions and be happy with it? Marriage is between man and woman. Husband and wife. Gays are different no matter how you spin it.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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How is it authoritarian to permit people to marry, when that permission has no effect on the right of others at all?

And again, this is not something the majority gets to decide. For good reason.
The democratic party uses identity politics to reward a number of favorable demographics that offer both monies and votes that support them. This isn't an issue of civil rights, it's a matter of political patronage.


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So I think you really don't have much of an understanding of our actual system of government, or what the Constitution is for...
Gee strel, I'm cut to the quick.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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I wonder how much of your "prosperous economy" and flourishing economy is derived from farm and other ag subsidies, stolen from tax payers in the coastal states? Iowa received 10% more from the fed than they pay in. Buncha socialists.
Considering that Iowa only gets about $1 billion in farm subsidies each year, that's not going to have much of an impact on the overall state budget. Much of that is likely even going to giant corporations outside of IA anyway.

The 'red state parasite' meme is worn out. You know why red states pay less federal taxes? It's because most of the rich people live in blue states. Most of the biggest businesses are also in blue states. Compound that with federal spending on red state interstate highways, national parks, etc. that benefit everyone and you have a misleading and tired meme.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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With the trickery of the far left last year, in which gay marriage was "passed" into Iowa law via judicial activist fiat, the Iowa House and Senate is taking another approach.

The leftists democratic state senators in Iowa have prevented a vote on a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. The majority of Iowans oppose gay marriage, yet the democrats are preventing the voice of the people to be heard.

In response, a bill is in the House (which will pass), which prevents the issuing of gay marriage licenses, essentially nullifying the Supreme Court's law. While this may be considered a "legislative trick", it is perfectly legal and cannot be overturned by the Supreme Court.

Bill aims to bar gay marriage, review by court | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com

I find it amusing when legal tricks come back to bite you.
It will be even more amusing when this and all other state laws prohibiting same-sex marriage get thrown out because they violate the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
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Old 02-24-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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Why cant gays and libs just take civil unions and be happy with it? Marriage is between man and woman. Husband and wife. Gays are different no matter how you spin it.
So when then insurance check box says "I'd like to add my married spouse" and it's the loophole for discrimination.. that's OK right? B.S.

Civil unions is no different then telling those blacks in the 1950s "You can ride on the same bus, but you gotta sit in the back"

Separate but equal.

We're getting equality, everyone else has to deal with it.. since it doesn't affect them at all...
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