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Old 04-09-2011, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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We tax too little because people are not willing to completely cut the deficit by spending cuts alone. Discretionary spending is 12% of the budget and the rest is entitlement, defense, and interest payments.

The problem is more of a spending problem, but it's not entirely a spending problem.

Also, didn't Republicans accuse Democrats of trying to kill old people when they cut Medicare spending?
Ryan's road map address entitlements.

Please produce some evidence of Republicans accusing Dems of trying to kill old people.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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You could say that, but you would be wrong. Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire would not result in the expected revenue increase because people would change their behavior. ( reduce investment in business, decrease hiring resulting in decrease revenue, move money off shore, etc.)

The democrats have no stomach for spending cuts and are not serious about it.
Under Clinton that approach lowered the deficit. Under Bush the tax cuts increased the deficit.

Democrats have a stomach for spending cuts, but not entirely solving the deficit problems with cuts won't fly with us.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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When a person needs to resort to insults it usually means you are losing the discussion.

I don't care what a dollar of spending is called either Mandatory or Discretionary, it is still a dollar spent.

I could care less what a Dem plan is, you are acting like their game is real. Both sides are playing their followers for saps.



That will never happen, it takes away their game.
I am not calling names, I am being factual, you are being unserious. I know you don't care what discretionary spending is, but the reality is the Republicans decreased the 2010 discretionary budget by $39 trillion.

Again $6 trillion is real cuts. And anyone who claims otherwise should not be taken seriously.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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Ryan's road map address entitlements.

Please produce some evidence of Republicans accusing Dems of trying to kill old people.
Don't be obtuse. The whole death panel garbage and Medicare cuts were sold as the government coming to "pull the plug on grandma."
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Under Clinton that approach lowered the deficit. Under Bush the tax cuts increased the deficit.

Democrats have a stomach for spending cuts, but not entirely solving the deficit problems with cuts won't fly with us.
Clinton benefited from a tech bubble. Revenue increased after the Bush tax cuts, spending increased much faster.

The Dems don't have the stomach for spending cuts. The minuscule $100 billion in cuts proposed by the Republicans was met with howls by the Dems.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:38 PM
 
Location: FL
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Not exactly, the problem is politics. The main drivers of debt are Medicare/Medicaid and Defense spending and all of the tax deductions, write-offs, and tax credits that everyone loves. Reforming all areas that cause government debt is unpopular politically. I wish it wasn't that way, but that's reality.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: NJ
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what is the point of having a debt limit if it keeps getting raised?
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:39 PM
 
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Don't be obtuse. The whole death panel garbage and Medicare cuts were sold as the government coming to "pull the plug on grandma."
I am not being obtuse, you are simply wrong. The death panel comment was in response to the Obamacare proposal that required end of life counseling and had zero to do with Medicare cuts.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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the problem is that the debt limit keeps getting raised.
The problem is that it keeps getting raised without a plan detailing how to lower the debt attached to the increase. Simply not increasing the debt limit is more irresponsible than having to raise it.
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Old 04-09-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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So anyway...why didn't the demmies do the budget last October? I fugure they were either too lazy or too stupid. Lets hear it.
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