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Old 03-15-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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Again, you lost this argument - nullification - a long time ago and for some very good reasons.

What is it with the Right these days, trying to revive long-dead jurisprudence?

You guys want to bring back public hangings next?

where do you get the idea that this is a right wing concept? you know strel i really enjoy deating with you because you limit the cheap shots, but this idea that nullification is the hiding place for racists is absurd.

you need to study your history a little. nullification was used heavily by the northern states.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrcM5...eature=related
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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where do you get the idea that this is a right wing concept? you know strel i really enjoy deating with you because you limit the cheap shots, but this idea that nullification is the hiding place for racists is absurd.
I don't think it WAS a right wing concept back them, necessarily. But it is mostly the right wing that is trumpeting it on the internet these days.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:45 PM
 
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private industry needs competition to keep them honest and to keep them efficient. i don't see govt as any different.
Government was never meant to be a for-profit enterprise but to serve the people it represented and in their best interest. And while private businesses can merge and take over, governments weren't meant to.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:46 PM
 
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I'm not sure what works in Europe would work here.

Plus, being from Florida, I don't have a great deal of confidence in state government.

i live in florida too and have a lot of confidence in this administration. apart from the golf course thing, which i know very little about, i don't think scott has made a bad decision yet.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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racism is a really tired excuse to let the federal govt get away with everything. unfortunately we live in a very polarized country. half of the country wants the fed govt to pay for healthcare, the other half not. half of the country wants gay marriage, the other not, half of the country want pot legalized the other not. i could go on all day. the reality is that this ends many arguments, because you can ultimately vote with your feet. this one size fits all approach makes for a very unhappy citizenry.

on the topic of interracial marriage do you really think that were it not for the 14th amendment, you still would not be able to marry outside of your race? really? that is a load of nonsense and you know it. some states might have been a bit slow in the uptake, but eventually they'll all get it.
The fact they had to "get it" at all says everything that needs to be said.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:48 PM
 
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Government was never meant to be a for-profit enterprise but to serve the people it represented and in their best interest. And while private businesses can merge and take over, governments weren't meant to.
We're seeing this right now in Florida, where Rick Scott is trying to reorganize the state government on a corporate model.

It's not going to work. But it has provided some moments of hilarity down here.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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Wouldn't that be "Bible beaters?"

okay, bible beaters, happy clappies, religious nutjobs etc
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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i live in florida too and have a lot of confidence in this administration. apart from the golf course thing, which i know very little about, i don't think scott has made a bad decision yet.

Oh boy, I could go on for hours about the bad ideas Governor Voldemort has proposed so far.

But that's a topic for another thread.

He's going to get a painful lesson or two if he doesn't start listening to his lawyers.

Lucky for him the legislators hired a terrible lawyer for that rail fund challenge/writ of quo warranto case. That was painful to watch. I could have done better with no preparation and just a copy of the damn petition.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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The 14th amendment was a power grab, and was passed by a congress that didn't represent all of the people, of course some of which had already tried to leave the union.

I understand its law, but it granted WAY to much power to the federal branch, and essentially ended states rights. I disagree with it in principle, and it should be repealed. I've written my congressmen and women to that effect, its really my only recourse. But until the general population (which is generally fat, dumb, and happy) get behind such a measure, its a pipe dream.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE THEY SECEEDED!

I have yet to see any anybody take a serious crack at repealing the Fourteen Amendment.

I suppose you feel the Thirteenth and Fifteenth Amendments were power grabs to.

And you're damn right repealing these Amendments is just that A PIPE DREAM.
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Old 03-15-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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I don't think it WAS a right wing concept back them, necessarily. But it is mostly the right wing that is trumpeting it on the internet these days.

those states who'd use nullification to counter any of their rascist policies would rapidly feel the force of economic isolation today. perhaps nullification might be on the kkk's wishlist for christmas, but as you say, they(kkk and the like) must be careful what they wish for!
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