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"For heaven's sake, police and firefighters are totally exempt from all these changes! So this reform doesn't go nearly far enough (police and firefighters are by far the best compensated of public employees), but at least this one state is making an effort to stop taxing people out of their homes."
Yes and do you notice NO ONE is talking about this? All the pro "Walker" crowd isn't saying anything about this? They just keep harping "public employee's." How can the budget be balanced on the backs of teachers, construction workers, public works, etc? It can't. This whole thing is nothing but a farce and people are buying into it.
The outrage of people wanting to end collective bargaining, etc is not justified. Police and firefighters make up so much of the budget, this "token" gesture is worthless, at best. However, keep on fooling yourselves.
TOKEN GESTURE---I'd say it will add up to alot of money and small town Wisconsin will be NOW able to look at their budgets without fearing or waiting to see HOW MUCH MORE they have to squeeze out of their people to PLEASE the state workers unions.
This judge should of realized the people would look into things. It appears she should of stayed out of it because their sure is a conflict of interest going on.
The link shows it is well above it. Plus benefits are listed seperately.
The link shows the average salary is close to $50,000 , and with benefits the average total compensation is slightly under $75,000. That isn't living the life of luxury.....
No one ever said they live the life of luxury. They live quite comfortablely on their pay. But they will retire into one. All the bill wants to stop is bargaining over pensions and health insurance.
Taxpayers paying $57.00 for every $1.00 they contribute for their pensions should NEVER be brought up to a bargaining table again. If I had it my way I would drop that amount more in tune with what the private sector gets.
That pension plan is definately the life of luxury!!
As for health insurance, we pay 95% of it, which isn't anywhere near what the private sector gets.
The people who are forced to pay higher taxes to support this are done with it.
The one's who seem to think this is all good and wonderful are on the recieving end of the benefits of what luxury collective barganing has brought to them. Private and Public.
Collective bargaining is a privilege that has been long abused.
No one ever said they live the life of luxury. They live quite comfortablely on their pay. But they will retire into one. All the bill wants to stop is bargaining over pensions and health insurance.
Taxpayers paying $57.00 for every $1.00 they contribute for their pensions should NEVER be brought up to a bargaining table again. If I had it my way I would drop that amount more in tune with what the private sector gets.
That pension plan is definately the life of luxury!!
As for health insurance, we pay 95% of it, which isn't anywhere near what the private sector gets.
The people who are forced to pay higher taxes to support this are done with it.
The one's who seem to think this is all good and wonderful are on the recieving end of the benefits of what luxury collective barganing has brought to them. Private and Public.
Collective bargaining is a privilege that has been long abused.
The teachers agreed to pay more for their pensions and health insurance benefits. Yes, public workers tend to have better benefit plans than private sector workers. However, a key reason of that is due to the lower actual salary pay-scale (at every level of education public salaries are lower than private salaries).
On top of that teacher pensions are 48% of top pay after 30 years. So it generally puts teachers in the range of perhaps $35,000-$40,0000 pensions. Hardly the life of luxury. The highest paid, those whose pensions are the highest % of their top salary, and those with the largest pensions were all excluded from this.
Teachers whose pensions generally top out in the $35,000 or so range you go after as too much, but police and state troopers who have pensions of double that nope.
The link shows the average salary is close to $50,000 , and with benefits the average total compensation is slightly under $75,000. That isn't living the life of luxury.....
The average household earns $46,000 in WI, according to the link. That means that a WI teacher makes on average 2x what an average WI worker makes. Add in the benefits and wow - they are living well.
But here's the thing I wonder about - I would love teachers to get paid a ton of money for their jobs. Yet, WI public schools produce not-so-wonderfully educated students based on national standards. And given that more money does NOT produce better educated students (see funding for public education in the last 30 years vs. the trend in US education), I don't see why it would be justifiable to provide this profession with 2-4x the salary and benefits of a fellow WI citizen.
The average household earns $46,000 in WI, according to the link. That means that a WI teacher makes on average 2x what an average WI worker makes. Add in the benefits and wow - they are living well.
But here's the thing I wonder about - I would love teachers to get paid a ton of money for their jobs. Yet, WI public schools produce not-so-wonderfully educated students based on national standards. And given that more money does NOT produce better educated students (see funding for public education in the last 30 years vs. the trend in US education), I don't see why it would be justifiable to provide this profession with 2-4x the salary and benefits of a fellow WI citizen.
Few things to keep in mind. First off the median household income takes into consideration everything including retirees, the unemployed, etc. Looking at full time income is probably a better comparison, full time income for males is in the $46,000 range, full time income for females is in the $33,000 range. Also look at education. Teachers generally have a higher education than the population as a whole. If you compare income by education level, private sector workers make more across the board.
Also look at education. Teachers generally have a higher education than the population as a whole. If you compare income by education level, private sector workers make more across the board.
Don't even go there. Everyone knows education degrees are a joke. It's not called the 'crayon curriculum' for nothing.
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