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Old 03-21-2011, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The taxpayers don't deserve to be taxed out of their homes to pay for ridiculously lucrative wages and benefit packages, when the taxpayers don't get anywhere near as good deals from their private sector employers. "Walker campaigned on bringing public employee benefits in line with the private sector. Right now, most state workers, including employees of Wisconsin Public Radio, pay next to nothing toward their pension, and have favorable rates for health care." Union Changes In Wisconsin Spark Protests : NPR

For heaven's sake, police and firefighters are totally exempt from all these changes! So this reform doesn't go nearly far enough (police and firefighters are by far the best compensated of public employees), but at least this one state is making an effort to stop taxing people out of their homes.

Public workers should NOT be allowed to unionize, since they and the ones negotiating against them are both on the same side--as public employees. The more the unions get paid and get super-generous benefits, the better the pay and benefits of the Town Officials negotiating with them. The only people not represented in this negotiation process is the taxpayer that must pay whatever the two groups of public employees can imagine in their wildest dreams. This is how public employee wages, compensation and pensions have skyrocketed to levels that threaten many jurisdictions with bankruptcy, and many local taxpayers with having to sell their homes at a loss because the property taxes are impossible to bear.

Private sector unions are a totally different beast--they negotiate with the business owner for a proper distribution of profits. There is absolutely NO place for unions in the public sector.

If public employees continue with their greed to stay several class levels above the people they are supposed to be serving, I hope all the States and Local Governments decide to simply declare bankruptcy and start from scratch, firing every existing public employee and starting over. Just like private companies get out from onerous pensions by a simple "change of control," let greedy public workers face what many private workers already have to deal with--the loss of a vested pension. At least public workers have ridiculously generous wages and other compensation to console them: the rest of us don't get much of those, and have to work 60 to 80 hours a week to get what little our private employers give us.

Teachers making $45,000-$50,000 is a ludicrous wage??
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Old 03-21-2011, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Well, well. Not surprising at all.

Judge Who Blocked Wisconsin Union Law Has Union Activist Son | The American Pundit

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The judge who blocked an anti-union law passed by Wisconsin’s state legislature has a union activist son.

Jake Sinderbrand, son of Judge Maryann Sumi and her apparent husband Carl Sinderbrand, has worked for the AFL-CIO and SEIU.
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Old 03-21-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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^That doesn't look good...
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Old 03-21-2011, 08:51 AM
 
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^That doesn't look good...
We need to remove this kind of thing from government before we can thing going better in the US and world.

When people are willing to ruin a nation for the sake of making some money that needs to be stopped.
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Old 03-21-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I'll reiterate... a WI tax watchdog group is compiling a list of the unions and elected officials slamming union sweetheart contracts before the law takes effect. Those sweetheart deals will force extra costs onto the taxpayers. That will all come out in the next election cycle. When WI residents are angered yet again by skyrocketing tax bills, it will be extremely easy to cast blame exactly where it belongs.

Take a look at what happened to Alvarez in Florida when he approved union sweetheart contracts for public employees and increased taxes to pay for it:
//www.city-data.com/forum/18304182-post25.html

88% of the voters angrily ousted him from his elected office.
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Old 03-21-2011, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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The open meetings rule applies to EVERYTHING. There are no exceptions to following the open meetings law, the GOP broke the law, the vote was illegal and invalid.
You obviously haven't read the laws Wisconsin has, your just insisting it be the way you want it to be. Please go with the facts. You may not like this article but it did go right to our law books and posted the facts.

» Wisconsin Senate Republicans Did Not Violate the Open Meetings Law - Big Government
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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Teachers making $45,000-$50,000 is a ludicrous wage??
Teachers in my small town get $52,000.00 plus their pension and health insurance. Their are VERY FEW that get under $50,000.00.

Here is a break down of school districts in Wisconsin. Don't forget to look thru it all, administraters are paid very well too. Ours gets $152,000 plus has 2 others that get over $100,000.

Wisconsin Teachers
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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"For heaven's sake, police and firefighters are totally exempt from all these changes! So this reform doesn't go nearly far enough (police and firefighters are by far the best compensated of public employees), but at least this one state is making an effort to stop taxing people out of their homes."

Yes and do you notice NO ONE is talking about this? All the pro "Walker" crowd isn't saying anything about this? They just keep harping "public employee's." How can the budget be balanced on the backs of teachers, construction workers, public works, etc? It can't. This whole thing is nothing but a farce and people are buying into it.

The outrage of people wanting to end collective bargaining, etc is not justified. Police and firefighters make up so much of the budget, this "token" gesture is worthless, at best. However, keep on fooling yourselves.
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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You obviously haven't read the laws Wisconsin has, your just insisting it be the way you want it to be. Please go with the facts. You may not like this article but it did go right to our law books and posted the facts.

» Wisconsin Senate Republicans Did Not Violate the Open Meetings Law - Big Government
They broke the law, plain and simple. This was broken plain and simple.

Wisconsin Open Meetings Law

That is the actual link to the open meetings law, not someone's opinion of it who left off a bunch of other stuff. The law was broken.
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Teachers in my small town get $52,000.00 plus their pension and health insurance. Their are VERY FEW that get under $50,000.00.

Here is a break down of school districts in Wisconsin. Don't forget to look thru it all, administraters are paid very well too. Ours gets $152,000 plus has 2 others that get over $100,000.

Wisconsin Teachers

The average actual teacher salary is in that $45,000-$50,000 range and the link shows that.
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