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The illiteracy rates in detroit and most other places in america are due to the culture of the parents. If the parents happen to be members of a culture/subculture that does not value education.......the members of that culture will do poorly in school. It isn't race, it's the values those members of the community and the values they pass on to their offspring that determine success in school............or not.
People have posted that illiteracy rates are similar in rural conservative Kentucky and Appalachia. Different culture. Low literacy rates do not exist in wealthy communities (even when the parents do not motivate their children...which happens a lot).
You're right, it's not race...however it's not values.
Yes, I think trade schools MAY be a better choice for some. The problems is that many trades require you to have good basic skills in the areas of reading, writing and math......that is a big problem for many students who have no interest in learning.
With many trades you will need to go to a trade school that will last from 3 months up to 2 years, lots of bookwork and hands on. Most trades today will involve using computers in one way or another, many require you to have an understanding of electricity/electronics.
People who do poorly in grade school are most likely going to do crappy learning a trade, so many trades today involve electronics and reading/following instructions.
you know the whole "hold the carrot in front of a donkey" to motivate him fable?
I think the allure of college is holding the carrot WAY too far away for black students living in ghettos. They don't think they'll ever reach it. In their eyes, studying now is certainly not helping them in the interim before college. There's no immediate payoff.
I think if we could bring the carrot closer, like a trade they could do after school let out for the day where they could make money IMMEDIATELY, I think that would motivate the students to study harder. They could see all their hard work pay off right away.
Contorting yourself into believing that blacks do not commit a higher percentage of crime in America than other racial groups.
All that happened in the past to blacks is in the past. During those days, black families were actually more stable than white families.
What excuse could you possibly give for the demise of the black family of today?
Welfare replaced the father.
Schools replaced parenting.
Wow.
I NEVER BROUGHT UP RACE!!!! I never stated that Blacks committed or did not commit more or less crimes. YOU JUST DID!!!! How is that even relevant?! Why are you even mentioning this? What is your problem? First off you tried to pin this on liberals. I stated that its not a partisan issue. Now, you're pinning this on race?!
Black families were not "more stable" than White families economically. Right since slavery, inability to own a house, inability to have a decent education, inability to live wherever one pleased, inability to obtain grants from the government makes a group of people financially stable.
School didn't replace parenting. However, people are less involved in trying to understand how education works. Modern education is more complex because we teach MORE things. Genetics was not taught in high school in the 1950s. History of Native Americans, Blacks, Asians, Hispanics were not taught as well. Less people took AP/IB back in those days. People do more homework now. Schooling and education needs work together with parents. That's the only way to ensure success. People like you are only to think in binary terms. So to you it seems like an us vs. them scenario.
It's posts like this that make you a caricature. You put words in my mouth and then make two different points, both of which don't even make sense.
Please do yourself a favor and stay on topic as to not embarrass yourself. You might give people the idea that you are a racist.
Then why does it create more of what it is trying to solve?
As far as blaming poor people for being poor, they keep voting against their own best interest.
Sure, entitlement sounds good at the time, but it actually enslaves people to the state.
It doesn't. What has created more poverty is CONSERVATIVE ideals. Lower taxes and reduced benefits of the 1980s really hit hard. Laissez faire capitalism meant the wholesale sell off of an industrial base only to be replaced with lower waged service sector jobs.
I think there's enough blame to go around for both Liberals and Conservatives. imo, those parties working against each other is what helps create this whole mess. I'm not saying that both parties take the sole blame, but they both do their part to damage the system.
Yes, but who creates the structure? It's not ordained by God, the structure is created by the people living in the society. So, it is cultural, imo.
Those in power. Put it this way, I always knew I would go to college. That's just the way things were. My father went to college, his father did, cousins, everyone around me. Well, what about the poorer family down the way.
1) My family owned land since the 1600s in the US. They always had been literate. In fact my last name refers to a tax code in England that means that my family are not serfs. So acquired social capital (never regulated to bad schools and having the cachet of having first dibs on middle class jobs) means that my family would remain entrenched middle/upper middle. So from Massachusetts, they sold land in Pennsylvania moved to Ohio by the 1800s. My dad had his college paid for by selling the family farm, I got part of my college paid for because of equity in the house.
2) My neighbor is full African American. They only recently became home owners. His father worked at a factory, but made less than a White family. Whereas my family owned land in Kettering, OH and Beavercreek, OH (Dayton's well off suburbs...both 92-95% White) they rented in Dayton proper (much poorer than the surrounding suburbs). Whereas my dad went to college and had his paid for, the neighbor is renting his house and works a blue collar job making less. His grand parents were sharecroppers in the South. His great grandparents were slaves.
He was lucky because his father worked in industry and thus became lower middle class. Industry took a nose dive. He cannot send his kids off to college without them being in massive debt (he doesn't own his house and makes just enough to be considered lower middle class to middle class). His cousin's did not have a father that worked in the factories. Thus that social capital (being able to attend relatively better schools and in a safer area) was not granted to them. His cousin is in jail.
My family was able to go to top public schools and sell property at higher prices because of redlining. The money was not the biggest determinant, but rather the ability to live in safe areas and attend decent schools with a lot of social spending. A recent NPR report showed that parks, yes parks, make a difference on crime and stress. Lower income areas have less parks per capita, but those people that live near parks cause less crime.
I think there's enough blame to go around for both Liberals and Conservatives. imo, those parties working against each other is what helps create this whole mess. I'm not saying that both parties take the sole blame, but they both do their part to damage the system.
Yes, and no. Liberals give too much credence to the conservative beliefs that Ayn Rand would love.
We are not the sole determinants in our own success. A society is interdependent. It's more complex than conservatives are willing to admit and/or understand.
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